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  • R Renauda
    25 May 2022, 14:17

    The Ukrainians know their history:

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

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    George K
    wrote on 25 May 2022, 14:22 last edited by
    #567

    @Renauda one of the things that's been a hallmark of this strategy is the poor supply line logistics of the Russians. It doomed them in their attempted blitzkrieg attack on Kiev.

    Looks like the Ukrainians are picking up that strategy in the east.

    Hope it continues to work.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      George K
      wrote on 25 May 2022, 21:34 last edited by
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      What's the politics behind this?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
        wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:03 last edited by
        #569

        "Refused to fight"

        Really?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:21 last edited by
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          I take that as a good thing.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • G George K
            25 May 2022, 21:34

            What's the politics behind this?

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:31 last edited by
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            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            What's the politics behind this?

            Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • J jon-nyc
              25 May 2022, 23:31

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              What's the politics behind this?

              Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

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              wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:38 last edited by George K
              #572

              @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

              In the thread, there are comments saying that the contracts under which Germany acquired the weapons have restrictions as to how they can, and IF they can, sell/give to 3rd parties.

              And, because I'm a Twitter n00b, I can't find it.

              Wait...

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
                wrote on 26 May 2022, 14:16 last edited by
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                Supposedly Turkey has backed off of its opposition to Sweden's NATO membership.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 26 May 2022, 14:22 last edited by Mik
                  #574

                  Good. But I wonder what that cost us.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • G George K
                    25 May 2022, 23:03

                    "Refused to fight"

                    Really?

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 26 May 2022, 14:25 last edited by
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                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    "Refused to fight"

                    Really?

                    There may be something to that, though I would like to see more reporting and think tank commentary on it.

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/sources-ukrainian-citizens-dragooned-into-uniform-for-rf-refusing-to-fight.html

                    Elbows up!

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 27 May 2022, 23:13 last edited by
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                      Meanwhile, back at a far greater tragedy...

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-ukraine-air-force-in-dogfight/ar-AAXO2dK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8439b694a5804a9ba9ee6358d4ebc5a0

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        George K
                        wrote on 27 May 2022, 23:21 last edited by
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                        I'm reading that things are not going all that well in the East, and the Russians are making gains, albeit slowly.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 28 May 2022, 23:56 last edited by
                          #578

                          No idea if it's true, but...

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 29 May 2022, 00:14 last edited by
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                            Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • M Mik
                              29 May 2022, 00:14

                              Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 29 May 2022, 00:21 last edited by
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                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                              This guy is keeping track of Russian and Ukrainian losses - but only those with photo-documentation of said losses.

                              He claims a total of 736 Russian tanks lost as of tonight.

                              By his count

                              20 T90s
                              132 T80s

                              The rest are T70s or older/inferior.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 29 May 2022, 00:52 last edited by
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                                It's amazing what you can't do with an unmotivated, uninformed, ill equipped and poorly led army.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 29 May 2022, 13:02 last edited by
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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 29 May 2022, 17:32 last edited by
                                    #583

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 29 May 2022, 21:21 last edited by
                                      #584

                                      Over 40? No problemo...

                                      https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-law-scrapping-military-090818055.html

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • J Jolly
                                        29 May 2022, 21:21

                                        Over 40? No problemo...

                                        https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-law-scrapping-military-090818055.html

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 29 May 2022, 21:41 last edited by
                                        #585

                                        @Jolly it sure smacks of desperation, but the numeric advantage that the Russians have is substantial. OTOH, training will play a HUGE role, and the ability to deliver combat-ready recruits within weeks, who are middle-aged, well...

                                        Into the grinder.

                                        Ukraine claims 30K KIA. Add MIA, captured and injured, you're over 100K soldiers. It can't be too long before this starts to resonate with the folks back home.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • G George K
                                          29 May 2022, 21:41

                                          @Jolly it sure smacks of desperation, but the numeric advantage that the Russians have is substantial. OTOH, training will play a HUGE role, and the ability to deliver combat-ready recruits within weeks, who are middle-aged, well...

                                          Into the grinder.

                                          Ukraine claims 30K KIA. Add MIA, captured and injured, you're over 100K soldiers. It can't be too long before this starts to resonate with the folks back home.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 29 May 2022, 22:44 last edited by
                                          #586

                                          @George-K

                                          So far Putin has been relying on his colonial troops - non Russian ethnics from the Caucasus and Siberia to feed into his meat grinder. The ethnic Russians making up the senior NCO’s and officers for flavour. Looks like he’s now turning some older ones who may have received better basic training at one time in the past.

                                          Elbows up!

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