The Ukraine war thread

Renauda

The Ukrainians know their history:

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@Renauda one of the things that's been a hallmark of this strategy is the poor supply line logistics of the Russians. It doomed them in their attempted blitzkrieg attack on Kiev.

Looks like the Ukrainians are picking up that strategy in the east.

Hope it continues to work.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

What's the politics behind this?

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

"Refused to fight"

Really?

Mik

I take that as a good thing.

jon-nyc

@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

What's the politics behind this?

Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

In the thread, there are comments saying that the contracts under which Germany acquired the weapons have restrictions as to how they can, and IF they can, sell/give to 3rd parties.

And, because I'm a Twitter n00b, I can't find it.

Wait...

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

Supposedly Turkey has backed off of its opposition to Sweden's NATO membership.

Mik

Good. But I wonder what that cost us.

Renauda

@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

"Refused to fight"

Really?

There may be something to that, though I would like to see more reporting and think tank commentary on it.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/sources-ukrainian-citizens-dragooned-into-uniform-for-rf-refusing-to-fight.html

Mik

Meanwhile, back at a far greater tragedy...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-ukraine-air-force-in-dogfight/ar-AAXO2dK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8439b694a5804a9ba9ee6358d4ebc5a0

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

I'm reading that things are not going all that well in the East, and the Russians are making gains, albeit slowly.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

No idea if it's true, but...

Mik

Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

This guy is keeping track of Russian and Ukrainian losses - but only those with photo-documentation of said losses.

He claims a total of 736 Russian tanks lost as of tonight.

By his count

20 T90s
132 T80s

The rest are T70s or older/inferior.

Mik

It's amazing what you can't do with an unmotivated, uninformed, ill equipped and poorly led army.

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

jon-nyc

Jolly

Over 40? No problemo...

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-law-scrapping-military-090818055.html

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

@Jolly it sure smacks of desperation, but the numeric advantage that the Russians have is substantial. OTOH, training will play a HUGE role, and the ability to deliver combat-ready recruits within weeks, who are middle-aged, well...

Into the grinder.

Ukraine claims 30K KIA. Add MIA, captured and injured, you're over 100K soldiers. It can't be too long before this starts to resonate with the folks back home.

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