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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #3070

    Nyet.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #3071

      De jure recognition would tell the world that launching a war of aggression in order to seize your neighbour’s sovereign territory is legitimate and acceptable. No US President recognized the Soviet annexation of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia following WWII. Likewise, the civilized world of today should not recognize the Russian occupation and annexation of any sovereign territory of Ukraine as it was prior to 2014.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        #3072

        Wholly agree.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          Renauda
          wrote last edited by
          #3073

          Said the spider to the fly:

          President Volodymyr Zelensky should travel to Moscow if he wants to hold direct talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said on Jan. 28.

          Really? That ploy is right out of the Josef Stalin playbook.

          The comment follows remarks by Ukraine's Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha, who said Zelensky is ready to meet Putin to resolve two core issues in the peace process: territorial questions and the future of the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

          Kremlin is not serious about resolving anything of the sort.

          "We have never refused and do not refuse this kind of contact," Ushakov said, adding that Moscow is prepared to ensure Zelensky's security and working conditions if he comes to Russia.

          Yes, you can be certain there’s a room reserved for him in the basement of the Lubyanka with a view all the way to Siberia. But only after he has been paraded through the streets of Moscow caged and in chains.

          https://kyivindependent.com/russia-says-its-ready-for-zelensky-putin-meeting/

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote last edited by
            #3074

            That will never happen and then Putin will claim Zelensky is not serious.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by
              #3075

              I guess the Kremlin felt the need to say something in response to Sybiha’s statement. The fact that it was wholly disingenuous does not even register in their amoral minds.

              Elbows up!

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                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #3076

                Witkoff and Kushner are out!

                US envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner will not participate in the next round of negotiations aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday.

                “[Russia and Ukraine] are going to follow up talks again this week. In that regard, bilateral. There might be a US presence, but it won’t be Steve and Jared,” Rubio said.

                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/68977

                And the there’s this…you guessed it, it’s all about Steve “Dim Philby” Witkoff:

                Trump's top envoy negotiating Ukraine's fate displays 'shocking' lack of knowledge about war, politics…

                A senior U.S. envoy involved in efforts to end Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine has displayed a lack of basic understanding of Ukraine's political system and the war itself while speaking in a closed conversation with a small group of reporters, the Kyiv Independent has learned.

                https://kyivindependent.com/trumps-top-envoy-displays-shocking-lack-of-knowledge-about-war-politics/

                I hope Rubio eviscerates the fool; his playing diplomat has done nothing but give the Kremlin a green light to escalate the war and make the US look like Putin’s Muggins.

                Elbows up!

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #3077

                  Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3078

                    @taiwan_girl

                    The spring on that clock was wound then immediately seized up last May when Trump’s Special Dummkopf arrived at the Kremlin without a US vetted interpreter to meet with Putin.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • W Offline
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                      #3079

                      Interesting article on Sino-Russian relation:

                      https://www.saratoga-foundation.org/p/kitaizatsiya-china-in-russia-newsletter-082

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        #3080

                        Interesting but I seriously doubt western forces would try to occupy the region.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #3081

                          Normally I doubt there would much appetite for a Western megapower but nowadays…who knows? Perhaps certain a region like Chukotka for purely strategic reasons but nothing much else.

                          Russian far east though is definitely a desirable backyard sandbox for the Chinese.

                          Elbows up!

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