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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #3071

    De jure recognition would tell the world that launching a war of aggression in order to seize your neighbour’s sovereign territory is legitimate and acceptable. No US President recognized the Soviet annexation of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia following WWII. Likewise, the civilized world of today should not recognize the Russian occupation and annexation of any sovereign territory of Ukraine as it was prior to 2014.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #3072

      Wholly agree.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #3073

        Said the spider to the fly:

        President Volodymyr Zelensky should travel to Moscow if he wants to hold direct talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said on Jan. 28.

        Really? That ploy is right out of the Josef Stalin playbook.

        The comment follows remarks by Ukraine's Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha, who said Zelensky is ready to meet Putin to resolve two core issues in the peace process: territorial questions and the future of the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

        Kremlin is not serious about resolving anything of the sort.

        "We have never refused and do not refuse this kind of contact," Ushakov said, adding that Moscow is prepared to ensure Zelensky's security and working conditions if he comes to Russia.

        Yes, you can be certain there’s a room reserved for him in the basement of the Lubyanka with a view all the way to Siberia. But only after he has been paraded through the streets of Moscow caged and in chains.

        https://kyivindependent.com/russia-says-its-ready-for-zelensky-putin-meeting/

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #3074

          That will never happen and then Putin will claim Zelensky is not serious.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #3075

            I guess the Kremlin felt the need to say something in response to Sybiha’s statement. The fact that it was wholly disingenuous does not even register in their amoral minds.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #3076

              Witkoff and Kushner are out!

              US envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner will not participate in the next round of negotiations aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday.

              “[Russia and Ukraine] are going to follow up talks again this week. In that regard, bilateral. There might be a US presence, but it won’t be Steve and Jared,” Rubio said.

              https://www.kyivpost.com/post/68977

              And the there’s this…you guessed it, it’s all about Steve “Dim Philby” Witkoff:

              Trump's top envoy negotiating Ukraine's fate displays 'shocking' lack of knowledge about war, politics…

              A senior U.S. envoy involved in efforts to end Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine has displayed a lack of basic understanding of Ukraine's political system and the war itself while speaking in a closed conversation with a small group of reporters, the Kyiv Independent has learned.

              https://kyivindependent.com/trumps-top-envoy-displays-shocking-lack-of-knowledge-about-war-politics/

              I hope Rubio eviscerates the fool; his playing diplomat has done nothing but give the Kremlin a green light to escalate the war and make the US look like Putin’s Muggins.

              Elbows up!

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #3077

                Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #3078

                  @taiwan_girl

                  The spring on that clock was wound then immediately seized up last May when Trump’s Special Dummkopf arrived at the Kremlin without a US vetted interpreter to meet with Putin.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • W Offline
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                    Wim
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3079

                    Interesting article on Sino-Russian relation:

                    https://www.saratoga-foundation.org/p/kitaizatsiya-china-in-russia-newsletter-082

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote last edited by
                      #3080

                      Interesting but I seriously doubt western forces would try to occupy the region.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #3081

                        Normally I doubt there would much appetite for a Western megapower but nowadays…who knows? Perhaps certain a region like Chukotka for purely strategic reasons but nothing much else.

                        Russian far east though is definitely a desirable backyard sandbox for the Chinese.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by
                          #3082

                          Ukraine groans a collective “WTF?” to Trump’s latest Putin comments:

                          https://kyivindependent.com/kyiv-groans-a-collective-wtf-to-trumps-latest-putin-comments/

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by
                            #3083

                            FFS

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
                              RenaudaR Offline
                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by
                              #3084

                              General Keith Kellogg speaks:

                              https://kyivindependent.com/keith-kellogg-says-he-left-trumps-white-house-to-be-free-to-talk-about-ukraine/

                              Elbows up!

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                              • W Offline
                                W Offline
                                Wim
                                wrote last edited by
                                #3085

                                And again: the Trump 'kompromat'. Si non e vero, e bene trovato.

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69648

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #3086

                                  This is an old claim. I doubt he would be stupid enough to misbehave in Russia.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • W Wim

                                    And again: the Trump 'kompromat'. Si non e vero, e bene trovato.

                                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69648

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                                    #3087

                                    @Wim

                                    I saw that earlier today. There have been other articles published the past year or so citing Mussayev’s claims. He appears to have been at this for some time.

                                    I am of the opinion that there is nothing there and that Mussayev is conjuring this up to get attention in the hope of gaining recognition as an “expert/influencer” and cashing in on what that role offers in the charged populist dichotomy of our times. Even if there is a grain of truth in his claims, I highly doubt any serious kompromat on Trump involves women of any age group. Rather, it would be of a financial nature involving investments of ill gotten Russian money into Trump family owned properties. Essentially Putin knows and has the paperwork showing who, when, where and how much to the penny was involved in laundering money via the Trump syndicate.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #3088

                                      I think you're quite right that financial shenanigans would be much more likely.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      • W Offline
                                        W Offline
                                        Wim
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #3089

                                        The claim that Kazakhstan tried something on Trump in 2017 was -at least for me- a new element.

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                                          #3090

                                          New to me as well but, all the same, not at all compelling for the simple reason it places too many people in the know.

                                          Elbows up!

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