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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #3076

    Witkoff and Kushner are out!

    US envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner will not participate in the next round of negotiations aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday.

    “[Russia and Ukraine] are going to follow up talks again this week. In that regard, bilateral. There might be a US presence, but it won’t be Steve and Jared,” Rubio said.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/68977

    And the there’s this…you guessed it, it’s all about Steve “Dim Philby” Witkoff:

    Trump's top envoy negotiating Ukraine's fate displays 'shocking' lack of knowledge about war, politics…

    A senior U.S. envoy involved in efforts to end Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine has displayed a lack of basic understanding of Ukraine's political system and the war itself while speaking in a closed conversation with a small group of reporters, the Kyiv Independent has learned.

    https://kyivindependent.com/trumps-top-envoy-displays-shocking-lack-of-knowledge-about-war-politics/

    I hope Rubio eviscerates the fool; his playing diplomat has done nothing but give the Kremlin a green light to escalate the war and make the US look like Putin’s Muggins.

    Elbows up!

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #3077

      Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        Has the clock started on the "24 hours to end the war" guarantee?

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #3078

        @taiwan_girl

        The spring on that clock was wound then immediately seized up last May when Trump’s Special Dummkopf arrived at the Kremlin without a US vetted interpreter to meet with Putin.

        Elbows up!

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        • W Offline
          W Offline
          Wim
          wrote last edited by
          #3079

          Interesting article on Sino-Russian relation:

          https://www.saratoga-foundation.org/p/kitaizatsiya-china-in-russia-newsletter-082

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote last edited by
            #3080

            Interesting but I seriously doubt western forces would try to occupy the region.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #3081

              Normally I doubt there would much appetite for a Western megapower but nowadays…who knows? Perhaps certain a region like Chukotka for purely strategic reasons but nothing much else.

              Russian far east though is definitely a desirable backyard sandbox for the Chinese.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by
                #3082

                Ukraine groans a collective “WTF?” to Trump’s latest Putin comments:

                https://kyivindependent.com/kyiv-groans-a-collective-wtf-to-trumps-latest-putin-comments/

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote last edited by
                  #3083

                  FFS

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3084

                    General Keith Kellogg speaks:

                    https://kyivindependent.com/keith-kellogg-says-he-left-trumps-white-house-to-be-free-to-talk-about-ukraine/

                    Elbows up!

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                    • W Offline
                      W Offline
                      Wim
                      wrote last edited by
                      #3085

                      And again: the Trump 'kompromat'. Si non e vero, e bene trovato.

                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69648

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote last edited by
                        #3086

                        This is an old claim. I doubt he would be stupid enough to misbehave in Russia.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • W Wim

                          And again: the Trump 'kompromat'. Si non e vero, e bene trovato.

                          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69648

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #3087

                          @Wim

                          I saw that earlier today. There have been other articles published the past year or so citing Mussayev’s claims. He appears to have been at this for some time.

                          I am of the opinion that there is nothing there and that Mussayev is conjuring this up to get attention in the hope of gaining recognition as an “expert/influencer” and cashing in on what that role offers in the charged populist dichotomy of our times. Even if there is a grain of truth in his claims, I highly doubt any serious kompromat on Trump involves women of any age group. Rather, it would be of a financial nature involving investments of ill gotten Russian money into Trump family owned properties. Essentially Putin knows and has the paperwork showing who, when, where and how much to the penny was involved in laundering money via the Trump syndicate.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by
                            #3088

                            I think you're quite right that financial shenanigans would be much more likely.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            • W Offline
                              W Offline
                              Wim
                              wrote last edited by
                              #3089

                              The claim that Kazakhstan tried something on Trump in 2017 was -at least for me- a new element.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by Renauda
                                #3090

                                New to me as well but, all the same, not at all compelling for the simple reason it places too many people in the know.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #3091

                                  WTF, is he talking about?

                                  Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, Trump on Tuesday said Ukraine had "better come to the table fast."

                                  Trump has previously signalled his impatience with the lack of swift progress in solving the four-year conflict.

                                  I wonder why, the lack of progress?

                                  Wait a minute…..

                                  Anne Applebaum gets it. Why can’t the WH narcissist demagogue?

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #3092

                                    Insanity.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #3093

                                      Cleese cuts out an important portion of the interview - an even better short of the interview with Applebaum:

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • AxtremusA Away
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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #3094

                                        Yeah ... quite likely the alternative will put in a better team to deal with this. (And yes, I also saw the AOC thread.)

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #3095

                                          Indeed, Nikki Haley would have had professional diplomats and security specialist take the lead. Nor would she have let Putin con or intimidate the US.

                                          Elbows up!

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