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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #2990

    Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by
      #2991

      I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        wrote last edited by
        #2992

        Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          jon-nyc
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          #2993

          I was heartened by this.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote last edited by Mik
            #2994

            The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote last edited by
              #2995

              Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • W Offline
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                Wim
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                #2996

                Putin's power bloc cracking?

                https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #2997

                  Interesting.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • W Wim

                    Putin's power bloc cracking?

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                    #2998

                    @Wim

                    Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      wrote last edited by Mik
                      #2999

                      Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

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                        wrote last edited by
                        #3000

                        @Mik

                        Not cheery but as one observer I read pointed out:

                        To be clear, the fact Ukraine’s investigators — and its raucous free press — are absolutely going to town on elites is itself evidence of a living, breathing (if coughing) democracy worth defending. One need only glance over the border to recall the alternative.

                        Can anyone send us the link to Russia’s credible investigation after the Panama Papers exposed Putin’s billions? Or how his best friend (Roldugin) earned billions playing a cello? (dude must be awesome). Or why the guy who made a two-hour documentary on Putin’s $1.4 billion Black Sea mega-palace ended up dead in a Putin prison?

                        The absence of scandal in an autocracy is often just a symptom of its silent, dehumanising condition. And inversely (if uncomfortably), the presence of scandal in a democracy often just reflects the messy but sacred human agency underneath. And that’s worth fighting for, everywhere, every time.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          wrote last edited by
                          #3001

                          Good observation.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Good observation.

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                            Renauda
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                            @Mik

                            I thought so as well.

                            I’m the meantime, I have nothing to say about the past 24 hrs of hearsay surrounding Moscow’s and Dim Philby’s (Witkoff the dummkopf) latest terms of unconditional surrender being laid out before the embattled Ukrainian nation.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              #3003

                              Oh, the cash for land, but you really still own it? Absurd to the point of surreal.

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by Renauda
                                #3004

                                Surreal is right. I really cannot comprehend how the US could even table the alleged terms for the Ukranians’ consideration.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  He's just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                                    #3006

                                    I don’t believe that for a minute. War diplomacy is not a jam session to see what sticks to the wall.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote last edited by Mik
                                      #3007

                                      Normally, no, it isn't. but we're pretty short on normal here. I don't think Trump can conceive of someone NOT wanting to make a deal.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                                        #3008

                                        You may be right… after all, Trump still thinks Putin is his trusted friend. 🙄

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #3009

                                          I don’t think he believes it, he just tries to sell it. With normal humans it may have value, but Putin is not by any means a normal human.

                                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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