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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #2989

    Not being privy to internal Kremlin politics, it would seem unwise to alienate Lavrov who clearly has his own following. I doubt his absence means any more than was said.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #2990

      Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        #2991

        I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
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          Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #2993

            I was heartened by this.

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
              wrote last edited by Mik
              #2994

              The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • MikM Away
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                #2995

                Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • W Offline
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                  #2996

                  Putin's power bloc cracking?

                  https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                  • MikM Away
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                    #2997

                    Interesting.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • W Wim

                      Putin's power bloc cracking?

                      https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #2998

                      @Wim

                      Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
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                        #2999

                        Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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