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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote last edited by Renauda
    #2835

    Nothing happened to Putin, he is what he always has been. A KGB hood.

    Trump is only beginning to come to terms that Putin has all along been playing him for the political Muggins he really is. The latter is not the least bit serious of agreeing to any peace deal short of the total capitulation of Ukraine to Russia’s stated objectives.

    Yesterday’s comment from the Kremlin that Trump is merely experiencing “emotional overload” is a patronising insult designed to show the total disregard Putin himself holds towards Trump as a leader and person.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote last edited by
      #2836

      Putin lays out his conditions. Basically keep all the territory, no NATO, lft sanctions and give us our frozen assets.

      "Bygones".

      He's probably thinking he's gone as far as he can with this and there's nothing more to be gained.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-lays-out-conditions-to-end-ukraine-war-reuters-reveals-list/ar-AA1FDwZ5

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote last edited by
        #2837

        The article leaves out a few salient points. Namely that Ukraine must give up all occupied and annexed but unoccupied Ukrainian territory and that NATO must abandon its open door policy regarding membership. As well, the term neutrality in context of Ukraine means becoming a puppet state of the Kremlin.

        There are no concessions in the stated proposal outline. Rather they are terms of surrender for Ukraine, the US and the Western Alliance. Quite unacceptable to my thinking on the matter.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote last edited by Mik
          #2838

          Agreed. I think we stay the course. But I thought that to begin with.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by
            #2839

            Yes, stay the course and up the ante. I am of the mind that so long as Putin is in the Kremlin there can be no chance of peace.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote last edited by
              #2840

              Not a reliable one, anyway.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #2841

                Putin might be locking out US diplomatic efforts towards a settlement.

                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53548

                Personally I think the Kremlin is about to deliver a one way ultimatum for Kyiv’s unconditional surrender.

                Elbows up!

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote last edited by
                  #2842

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    89th
                    wrote last edited by
                    #2843

                    Link to video

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #2844

                      Two weeks depending only if Witkoff can find a qualified interpreter not in the pay of the Kremlin…..if not, longer, or possibly not at all.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • bachophileB Offline
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                        bachophile
                        wrote last edited by
                        #2845

                        Getting reports here on the news of a massive drone attack on Russian stategic bombers (one near Finland) calling it Russia’s Pearl Harbor.

                        Strange times.

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                        • bachophileB Offline
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                          bachophile
                          wrote last edited by
                          #2846

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote last edited by
                            #2847

                            Nice. But Putin will retaliate on civilians.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote last edited by
                              #2848

                              It may be just the news we're seeing, but it does look like Ukraine gets in the most powerful strikes. Putin just lashes out.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by
                                #2849

                                What’s more is that Ukraine specifically targeted the Tu -95 Bear strategic bombers. Despite their 1950’s vintage design, they still remain crucial to the Kremlin’s nuclear deterrence capability.

                                Tactically brilliant on the part of the Ukrainians, but it will unleash a vicious strike against Ukrainian civilian infrastructure in the coming nights. Maybe even tonight.

                                Should be a very frank, open and very short meeting in Istanbul tomorrow. If it even convenes.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
                                  RenaudaR Offline
                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by Renauda
                                  #2850

                                  T. E. Lawrence’s ghost smiled again:

                                  Two railway bridges collapsed just hours apart in separate regions of Russia, killing at least seven people and injuring dozens. One of the incidents is being investigated as possible sabotage, according to officials.

                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53734

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    • W Offline
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                                      Wim
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                                      #2852

                                      Did something wrong and now I can't undo inserting the comic above...

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2853

                                        POSSIBLE sabotage?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #2854

                                          Another couple video of the drone attack on the airplanes. In the first one, you can see tires on the wings of the airplane to try and disguise them from drones.

                                          Link to video

                                          Link to video

                                          Also quite interesting how the raid was done.

                                          it involved more than a year and a half of planning and was "extremely complex from a logistical point of view."

                                          The SBU transported numerous small first-person-view (FPV) drones to Russia, along with what looked like wooden shipping crates. Once all the pieces were in the country, the drones were hidden in the crates, which were placed on trucks. On Sunday, the tops of the crates were remotely opened, and the drones flew out.

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