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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #2836

    Putin lays out his conditions. Basically keep all the territory, no NATO, lft sanctions and give us our frozen assets.

    "Bygones".

    He's probably thinking he's gone as far as he can with this and there's nothing more to be gained.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-lays-out-conditions-to-end-ukraine-war-reuters-reveals-list/ar-AA1FDwZ5

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by
      #2837

      The article leaves out a few salient points. Namely that Ukraine must give up all occupied and annexed but unoccupied Ukrainian territory and that NATO must abandon its open door policy regarding membership. As well, the term neutrality in context of Ukraine means becoming a puppet state of the Kremlin.

      There are no concessions in the stated proposal outline. Rather they are terms of surrender for Ukraine, the US and the Western Alliance. Quite unacceptable to my thinking on the matter.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote last edited by Mik
        #2838

        Agreed. I think we stay the course. But I thought that to begin with.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote last edited by
          #2839

          Yes, stay the course and up the ante. I am of the mind that so long as Putin is in the Kremlin there can be no chance of peace.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote last edited by
            #2840

            Not a reliable one, anyway.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • RenaudaR Offline
              RenaudaR Offline
              Renauda
              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #2841

              Putin might be locking out US diplomatic efforts towards a settlement.

              https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53548

              Personally I think the Kremlin is about to deliver a one way ultimatum for Kyiv’s unconditional surrender.

              Elbows up!

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #2842

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  89th
                  wrote last edited by
                  #2843

                  Link to video

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                    #2844

                    Two weeks depending only if Witkoff can find a qualified interpreter not in the pay of the Kremlin…..if not, longer, or possibly not at all.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • bachophileB Offline
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                      bachophile
                      wrote last edited by
                      #2845

                      Getting reports here on the news of a massive drone attack on Russian stategic bombers (one near Finland) calling it Russia’s Pearl Harbor.

                      Strange times.

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                        bachophile
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                        #2846

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nyc
                          wrote last edited by
                          #2847

                          Nice. But Putin will retaliate on civilians.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by
                            #2848

                            It may be just the news we're seeing, but it does look like Ukraine gets in the most powerful strikes. Putin just lashes out.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by
                              #2849

                              What’s more is that Ukraine specifically targeted the Tu -95 Bear strategic bombers. Despite their 1950’s vintage design, they still remain crucial to the Kremlin’s nuclear deterrence capability.

                              Tactically brilliant on the part of the Ukrainians, but it will unleash a vicious strike against Ukrainian civilian infrastructure in the coming nights. Maybe even tonight.

                              Should be a very frank, open and very short meeting in Istanbul tomorrow. If it even convenes.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by Renauda
                                #2850

                                T. E. Lawrence’s ghost smiled again:

                                Two railway bridges collapsed just hours apart in separate regions of Russia, killing at least seven people and injuring dozens. One of the incidents is being investigated as possible sabotage, according to officials.

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/53734

                                Elbows up!

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                                • W Offline
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                                  Wim
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                                  #2851
                                  This post is deleted!
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                                  • W Offline
                                    W Offline
                                    Wim
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #2852

                                    Did something wrong and now I can't undo inserting the comic above...

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #2853

                                      POSSIBLE sabotage?

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • taiwan_girlT Online
                                        taiwan_girlT Online
                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2854

                                        Another couple video of the drone attack on the airplanes. In the first one, you can see tires on the wings of the airplane to try and disguise them from drones.

                                        Link to video

                                        Link to video

                                        Also quite interesting how the raid was done.

                                        it involved more than a year and a half of planning and was "extremely complex from a logistical point of view."

                                        The SBU transported numerous small first-person-view (FPV) drones to Russia, along with what looked like wooden shipping crates. Once all the pieces were in the country, the drones were hidden in the crates, which were placed on trucks. On Sunday, the tops of the crates were remotely opened, and the drones flew out.

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #2855

                                          Maybe the Russian top brass needs new pagers. I hear there's a European country offering them at a great price.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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