The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 15 Apr 2025, 12:46 last edited by
Lazy seems to be a defining characteristic.
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wrote on 15 Apr 2025, 13:27 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I think "lazy" is quite a charitable interpretation of what Trump said.
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What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."
Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.
That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.
wrote on 15 Apr 2025, 15:50 last edited by Renauda@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."
Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.
That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.
It’s also possible (albeit remote) that Trump is beginning to realise that all along Putin has been playing him for the Muggins he really is on the world stage of diplomacy and conflict resolution.
As any self deifying narcissist would do, Trump is lashing out and laying blame on everyone else other than himself for what amounts to his own ineptitude.
So yeah, sloppy thinking is at play here. Big time sloppy thinking.
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wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 12:55 last edited by
Wait, so Rubio said Trump's been working on this for 87 days (7.9 scaramuccis).
I thought Trump said he'd end it in 1 day (0.09 scaramuccis).
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Wait, so Rubio said Trump's been working on this for 87 days (7.9 scaramuccis).
I thought Trump said he'd end it in 1 day (0.09 scaramuccis).
Link to video Link to videowrote on 18 Apr 2025, 15:26 last edited by@89th Shhhh! You are exposing the truth.
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wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 20:37 last edited by
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wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 22:08 last edited by
" @marcorubio is currently defining what it means to abandon absolutely every principle one used to hold dear."
I guess that means Rubio is Presidential timber.
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wrote on 18 Apr 2025, 23:47 last edited by Renauda
The ineptitude of Trump and Witkoff:
https://timothyash.substack.com/p/a-fools-guide-to-putin-and-ukraine
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wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 21:32 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 22:22 last edited by
Posted without comment other than let’s see where this takes things…..
Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered to end the war in Ukraine along the current front lines as part of peace talks with the United States, the Financial Times reported Wednesday, citing multiple sources familiar with the negotiations.
During a meeting in St. Petersburg earlier this month, Putin reportedly told Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff that Moscow could drop its claims to parts of four Ukrainian regions still controlled by Kyiv.
Washington has floated its own proposals for ending the conflict, including recognizing Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and acknowledging its de facto control over occupied areas in Ukraine’s east and south, the FT reported.
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wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 22:27 last edited by Tom-K
I'm OK with that. Not honorable or righteous or perfect. But a lot of less deaths and some reasonable peace all around. And it may give DJT a Novel Peace Prize that he well deserves.
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I'm OK with that. Not honorable or righteous or perfect. But a lot of less deaths and some reasonable peace all around. And it may give DJT a Novel Peace Prize that he well deserves.
wrote on 22 Apr 2025, 22:43 last edited byYeah, It may be the best deal for a cessation of hostilities in the short term. As long as Putin is at the helm in the Kremlin, people must understand it can be nothing more than a tenuous armistice that the Russians will try to circumvent and undermine by any means of subterfuge possible. This will not at all spell the end the of Kremlin’s imperial aspirations in Eastern Europe.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2025, 00:12 last edited by jon-nyc
It strikes me as equivalent to a ceasefire in Gaza but Hamas gets to stay in power.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2025, 13:46 last edited by
You’re right. US formal recognition of Russian ownership over Crimea and occupied territories sets a dangerous precedent. It also runs counter to established US foreign policy that never recognised the Soviet forced incorporation of the Baltic countries into the USSR. To expect and even demand other NATO member states to follow suit and reward Russia is not only bad foreign policy but is wholly irresponsible as a founding member of the Alliance.
Ultimately it amounts to rewarding aggressor states and lets them off the hook for any accountability for their actions. No credible deterrent to future aggression.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2025, 14:51 last edited by
Right but if it further enriches the Trump family that seems totally worth it.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2025, 21:57 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 01:36 last edited by jon-nyc
Three years ago, Sen Rubio co-sponsored an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act to prohibit US recognition of Crimea as part of Russia.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 02:04 last edited by
It’s just kicking the can down the road in the vain and naive hope that the next Russian president will somehow be better.
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wrote on 24 Apr 2025, 16:02 last edited by Renauda
Another look at Trump’s plan. Not sure if I agree with how all facts are presented or whether “the peace deal” is a common sense approach. I still do not understand the rationale behind calling it anything other than an armistice agreement and, a tenuous armistice at that, given the political reality on the ground between Russia and Ukraine. It is an “Armistice Agreement” nothing more. Trump is only deluding himself thinking it can be anything other.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/trump-ukraine-peace-plane/