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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote last edited by
    #2788

    You were warned.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote last edited by
      #2789

      Everybody's to blame.

      Everybody except Trump, presumably.

      I was only joking

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote last edited by Renauda
        #2790

        Par for the Trump course.

        He does not get it. Doubtful that he ever will either. Inept.

        Elbows up!

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          89th
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          #2791

          What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

          Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

          That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
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            #2792

            Lazy seems to be a defining characteristic.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #2793

              I think "lazy" is quite a charitable interpretation of what Trump said.

              I was only joking

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              • 89th8 89th

                What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #2794

                @89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

                What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

                It’s also possible (albeit remote) that Trump is beginning to realise that all along Putin has been playing him for the Muggins he really is on the world stage of diplomacy and conflict resolution.

                As any self deifying narcissist would do, Trump is lashing out and laying blame on everyone else other than himself for what amounts to his own ineptitude.

                So yeah, sloppy thinking is at play here. Big time sloppy thinking.

                Elbows up!

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  89th
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                  #2795

                  Wait, so Rubio said Trump's been working on this for 87 days (7.9 scaramuccis).

                  I thought Trump said he'd end it in 1 day (0.09 scaramuccis).

                  Link to video

                  Link to video

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    Wait, so Rubio said Trump's been working on this for 87 days (7.9 scaramuccis).

                    I thought Trump said he'd end it in 1 day (0.09 scaramuccis).

                    Link to video

                    Link to video

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
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                    #2796

                    @89th Shhhh! You are exposing the truth.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote last edited by
                      #2797

                      You were warned.

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                      • Tom-KT Offline
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                        Tom-K
                        wrote last edited by
                        #2798

                        " ⁦@marcorubio is currently defining what it means to abandon absolutely every principle one used to hold dear."

                        I guess that means Rubio is Presidential timber.

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #2799

                          The ineptitude of Trump and Witkoff:

                          https://timothyash.substack.com/p/a-fools-guide-to-putin-and-ukraine

                          Elbows up!

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                          • W Offline
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                            Wim
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                            #2800

                            Divide et impera:

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/22/ukraine-russia-rubio-london-crimea-peace-deal/

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                              Renauda
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                              #2801

                              Posted without comment other than let’s see where this takes things…..

                              Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered to end the war in Ukraine along the current front lines as part of peace talks with the United States, the Financial Times reported Wednesday, citing multiple sources familiar with the negotiations.

                              During a meeting in St. Petersburg earlier this month, Putin reportedly told Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff that Moscow could drop its claims to parts of four Ukrainian regions still controlled by Kyiv.

                              Washington has floated its own proposals for ending the conflict, including recognizing Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and acknowledging its de facto control over occupied areas in Ukraine’s east and south, the FT reported.

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/22/putin-proposes-ending-invasion-of-ukraine-along-current-front-lines-ft-a88834

                              Elbows up!

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                              • Tom-KT Offline
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                                Tom-K
                                wrote last edited by Tom-K
                                #2802

                                I'm OK with that. Not honorable or righteous or perfect. But a lot of less deaths and some reasonable peace all around. And it may give DJT a Novel Peace Prize that he well deserves. 🙄

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                                • Tom-KT Tom-K

                                  I'm OK with that. Not honorable or righteous or perfect. But a lot of less deaths and some reasonable peace all around. And it may give DJT a Novel Peace Prize that he well deserves. 🙄

                                  RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #2803

                                  @Tom-K

                                  Yeah, It may be the best deal for a cessation of hostilities in the short term. As long as Putin is at the helm in the Kremlin, people must understand it can be nothing more than a tenuous armistice that the Russians will try to circumvent and undermine by any means of subterfuge possible. This will not at all spell the end the of Kremlin’s imperial aspirations in Eastern Europe.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #2804

                                    It strikes me as equivalent to a ceasefire in Gaza but Hamas gets to stay in power.

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      It strikes me as equivalent to a ceasefire in Gaza but Hamas gets to stay in power.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #2805

                                      @jon-nyc

                                      You’re right. US formal recognition of Russian ownership over Crimea and occupied territories sets a dangerous precedent. It also runs counter to established US foreign policy that never recognised the Soviet forced incorporation of the Baltic countries into the USSR. To expect and even demand other NATO member states to follow suit and reward Russia is not only bad foreign policy but is wholly irresponsible as a founding member of the Alliance.

                                      Ultimately it amounts to rewarding aggressor states and lets them off the hook for any accountability for their actions. No credible deterrent to future aggression.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2806

                                        Right but if it further enriches the Trump family that seems totally worth it.

                                        You were warned.

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                          #2807

                                          Peace talks will fail, the administration will blame Ukraine, unilaterally dismantle our sanction regime on Russia, while refusing to sell military gear to Kyiv.

                                          For peace.

                                          You were warned.

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