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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #2752

    If Russia agrees to ceasefire proposal:

    Ideally, Moscow would prefer to delay the meeting for as long as possible to maximize potential concessions from Washington in exchange for Russia halting military actions in Ukraine.

    "Time is on the Kremlin’s side," sources told The Moscow Times. However, officials also recognize the need to "seize the moment” and balance Trump’s push for a swift ceasefire with broader geopolitical and domestic considerations.

    “One scenario under discussion is a meeting around Easter [Orthodox Easter falls on April 20],” a Russian diplomat told The Moscow Times. Another senior Russian official confirmed this possibility.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/12/orthodox-easter-diplomacy-kremlin-and-white-house-pursue-fast-tracked-putin-trump-meeting-a88331

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #2753

      A good piece on Ukraine's mineral wealth.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-s-so-special-about-ukraine-s-minerals-a-geologist-explains/ar-AA1AI9mu#

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Offline
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        #2754

        An interesting take on the peace process and European politics.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peace-not-surrender-for-ukraine/ar-AA1B91vM

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          xenon
          wrote on last edited by xenon
          #2755

          Anyone with more knowledge know how to make heads/tails of the latest ceasefire?

          I’m seeing that it’s a partial ceasefire, only on energy infrastructure, Russia recently (after the convo?) attacked energy infrastructure, Zelensky says he’s open to a partial ceasefire, I’m sure I’m missing a few other facts.

          I don’t know what it all amounts to. Is it normal for all of this to be done in the open like this?

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #2756

            Last I read Putin had said he needs to see all international aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine stopped and then he can maybe sorta discuss a ceasefire.

            You were warned.

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              xenon
              wrote on last edited by xenon
              #2757

              I thought he did agree to a partial ceasefire. But yeah - I would think they’d want to arm Ukraine to the gills during a pause.

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                xenon
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                #2758

                Ok - apparently Putin specifically hit civilian infrastructure with drones after the ceasefire talk. This is coming from Zelensky - but assuming this is true… that’s a pretty loud signal

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2759

                  Still early to tell.

                  But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.

                  Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.

                  If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2760

                    Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

                    Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

                    “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

                    He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

                    “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

                    President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

                    "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

                    https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

                      Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

                      “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

                      He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

                      “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

                      President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

                      "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

                      https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

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                      Wim
                      wrote on last edited by Wim
                      #2761

                      @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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                        • W Wim

                          @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2763

                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

                          Although an extreme long shot, I don’t think it is entirely out of the question. Time will tell, depends how badly Putin wants this to end.

                          I remain unconvinced of any sincere desire by Kremlin to concede any of its maximalist terms regarding Ukraine’s future.

                          Elbows up!

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                            xenon
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2764

                            The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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                            • X xenon

                              The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #2765

                              @xenon

                              Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/21/putin-warns-business-leaders-of-slow-and-difficult-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-report-a88434

                              Elbows up!

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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2766

                                Trump 'pissed off'

                                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-trump-criticizes-putin-zelenskyy/

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2767

                                  Wait until it dawns on the old Fat One that he’s been Putin’s Muggins since before they even met in Helsinki back in 2018.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    xenon
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2768

                                    So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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                                      So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2769

                                      @xenon Pretty obvious: not at all.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2770

                                        You have to go with the assumption of deceit, then try from there to figure out what is real.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2771

                                          You were warned.

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