The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 9 Mar 2025, 02:32 last edited by
The US has rejected a Canadian proposal to establish a task force that would tackle Russia’s so-called shadow fleet of oil tankers, as the Trump administration re-evaluates its positions across multilateral organizations, according to people familiar with the matter.
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The “shadow fleet” refers to ageing oil tankers, the identities of which are hidden to help circumvent western economic sanctions imposed on Moscow since it launched its full-scale military invasion of Ukraine at the start of 2022.
As well as vetoing Canada’s proposal to establish a task force to monitor sanctions breaches, the draft G7 statement seen by Bloomberg News shows the US pushed to remove the word “sanctions” as well as wording citing Russia’s “ability to maintain its war” in Ukraine by replacing it with “earn revenue”.
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wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 19:59 last edited by
Ukraine agrees to 30 days ceasefire
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 20:08 last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind"
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 16:19 last edited by
If Russia agrees to ceasefire proposal:
Ideally, Moscow would prefer to delay the meeting for as long as possible to maximize potential concessions from Washington in exchange for Russia halting military actions in Ukraine.
"Time is on the Kremlin’s side," sources told The Moscow Times. However, officials also recognize the need to "seize the moment” and balance Trump’s push for a swift ceasefire with broader geopolitical and domestic considerations.
“One scenario under discussion is a meeting around Easter [Orthodox Easter falls on April 20],” a Russian diplomat told The Moscow Times. Another senior Russian official confirmed this possibility.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 17:28 last edited by
A good piece on Ukraine's mineral wealth.
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wrote on 18 Mar 2025, 11:30 last edited by
An interesting take on the peace process and European politics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peace-not-surrender-for-ukraine/ar-AA1B91vM
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 22:17 last edited by xenon
Anyone with more knowledge know how to make heads/tails of the latest ceasefire?
I’m seeing that it’s a partial ceasefire, only on energy infrastructure, Russia recently (after the convo?) attacked energy infrastructure, Zelensky says he’s open to a partial ceasefire, I’m sure I’m missing a few other facts.
I don’t know what it all amounts to. Is it normal for all of this to be done in the open like this?
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 22:56 last edited by
Last I read Putin had said he needs to see all international aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine stopped and then he can maybe sorta discuss a ceasefire.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 23:07 last edited by xenon
I thought he did agree to a partial ceasefire. But yeah - I would think they’d want to arm Ukraine to the gills during a pause.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 23:10 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 00:29 last edited by Renauda
Still early to tell.
But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.
Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.
If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 21:43 last edited by
Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/
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Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 12:42 last edited by
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@Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 12:53 last edited by Renauda@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.
Although an extreme long shot, I don’t think it is entirely out of the question. Time will tell, depends how badly Putin wants this to end.
I remain unconvinced of any sincere desire by Kremlin to concede any of its maximalist terms regarding Ukraine’s future.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 15:02 last edited by
The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 15:14 last edited by Renauda
Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:
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wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 15:22 last edited by
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wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 23:14 last edited by Renauda
Wait until it dawns on the old Fat One that he’s been Putin’s Muggins since before they even met in Helsinki back in 2018.
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wrote on 1 Apr 2025, 03:08 last edited by
So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?