The Ukraine war thread
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Let’s discuss the US’ and UK’s failure to live up to the security agreements made to Ukraine in the 90’s. The failure runs through 4 US administrations and several UK governments. What were the obligations and how can live up to them now? Or should we?
We didn't live up them and we aren't going to live up to them. But we did place one piece of international Truth in the forevermore... NO sovereign nation will ever give up all of its nuclear weapons again. Not ever. Never.
wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 20:08 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Feb 2025, 20:08@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
. Let’s discuss the US’ and UK’s failure to live up to the security agreements made to Ukraine in the 90’s.
I think you missed one of the relevant parties.
I agree with your last point, BTW.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 23:46 last edited by Renauda 3 Feb 2025, 23:56
We didn't live up them and we aren't going to live up to them
I believe I more than adequately pointed out already that there was nothing for you, the US, to live up to other than give consideration to supplying Ukraine with defensive conventional weaponry to act as a deterrent to third party aggression. That supply the US has been honouring albeit at times grudgingly. LD certainly understood my message.
Perhaps it’s a reading comprehension disability on your part. Doubt it though, you just want to be heard.
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 01:10 last edited by
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 04:57 last edited by Renauda 3 Mar 2025, 04:59
Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:
Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 14:40 last edited by
Good piece. It may be this was what Trump is after, but to precipitate it by threatening to be an unreliable partner is not diplomacy.
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Yup totally. And Zelenskyy asked Vance his thoughts on Putin’s repeated violations of previous diplomacy and cease fires to which Vance threw a tantrum about not saying thank you. Vance should’ve said something simple about how this time it’ll be different because we have a leader that will enforce security agreements. Even Trump during the meeting said he’s the toughest person in the world but that he doesn’t want for it to come to that.
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 15:52 last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
Vance threw a tantrum about not saying thank you
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html
During a remarkably combative Oval Office meeting on Friday, both President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that he was insufficiently thankful.
“You have to be thankful. You don’t have the cards,” Trump said, adding a bit later, “You gotta be more thankful.”
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Here are 33 previous examples of Zelensky thanking or expressing gratitude toward the United States, its officials or its people for their support. This is not a comprehensive list. Notably, we did not review Zelensky’s many domestic remarks in Ukrainian.
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:06 last edited by
Some people say if you watch the tape carefully, Zelensky called Vance a bitch. Not in English, of course...
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:16 last edited by Renauda 3 Mar 2025, 16:22
And so what if Zelenskyi did?
Baby Face deserved something much stronger like kurva or better yet, khuiya
Poor Baby Face, he and Trumpigula should have come to the meeting wearing clown noses.
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:21 last edited by Renauda 3 Mar 2025, 16:22
Dbl post
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:30 last edited byLink to video
Ryan McBeth. Short clip--listen to his last line, the best commentary on Trump ever.
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Link to video
Ryan McBeth. Short clip--listen to his last line, the best commentary on Trump ever.
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:45 last edited by@Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Link to video
Ryan McBeth. Short clip--listen to his last line, the best commentary on Trump ever.
I watch this guy's channel a good bit. Yes, his last comment is wicked.
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Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:
Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 17:41 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:
Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader. Biden was a corpse and Trump is a headline-chaser.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:
Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader. Biden was a corpse and Trump is a headline-chaser.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:
Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:
https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader. Biden was a corpse and Trump is a headline-chaser.
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 17:51 last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.
Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it. -
@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.
Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it.wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 17:59 last edited by Renauda 3 Mar 2025, 18:11Yes Romney could do it, as I’m sure Nikki Halley could as well.
Hilary Clinton though, I have my serious doubts. Her term as Sect’y of State is part of the reason the world is where it’s at right now.
Don’t know enough about the Mayor Pete chap to say ether way..
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@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.
Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it.wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 19:16 last edited by@Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:
@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.
Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it.- Lose?
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Some people say if you watch the tape carefully, Zelensky called Vance a bitch. Not in English, of course...
wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 19:23 last edited by@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Some people say if you watch the tape carefully, Zelensky called Vance a bitch. Not in English, of course...
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wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 19:24 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Mar 2025, 19:24
Having said that, there’s no reasonable definition of ‘bitch’ that Vance wouldn’t clear.
