The Ukraine war thread

[Mik]

Good piece. It may be this was what Trump is after, but to precipitate it by threatening to be an unreliable partner is not diplomacy.

[taiwan_girl]

@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

Vance threw a tantrum about not saying thank you

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html

During a remarkably combative Oval Office meeting on Friday, both President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that he was insufficiently thankful.

“You have to be thankful. You don’t have the cards,” Trump said, adding a bit later, “You gotta be more thankful.”

and

Here are 33 previous examples of Zelensky thanking or expressing gratitude toward the United States, its officials or its people for their support. This is not a comprehensive list. Notably, we did not review Zelensky’s many domestic remarks in Ukrainian.

[Jolly]

Some people say if you watch the tape carefully, Zelensky called Vance a bitch. Not in English, of course...

[Renauda]

And so what if Zelenskyi did?

Baby Face deserved something much stronger like kurva or better yet, khuiya

Poor Baby Face, he and Trumpigula should have come to the meeting wearing clown noses.

[Renauda]

Dbl post

[Tom-K]

Link to video

Ryan McBeth. Short clip--listen to his last line, the best commentary on Trump ever.

[Renauda]

@Tom-K

That was a stellar close!

[Jolly]

@Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

Link to video

Ryan McBeth. Short clip--listen to his last line, the best commentary on Trump ever.

I watch this guy's channel a good bit. Yes, his last comment is wicked.

[89th]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Here’s the current reality as described by the President of Finland this weekend. Finns know the Russians, know where Putin is determined to take this war and how the West must respond. They have first hand experience with the Kremlin and remember the hard lessons history has taught their nation:

Alexander Stubb, President of Finland speaks:

https://www.facebook.com/swedishveterans/videos/1029926085633089/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader. Biden was a corpse and Trump is a headline-chaser.

[Renauda]

@89th

Indeed it is not only refreshing but reassuring to know that there
is still one adult left in the room in the midst of chaos.

[Axtremus]

@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.

Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it.

[Renauda]

@Axtremus

Yes Romney could do it, as I’m sure Nikki Halley could as well.

Hilary Clinton though, I have my serious doubts. Her term as Sect’y of State is part of the reason the world is where it’s at right now.

Don’t know enough about the Mayor Pete chap to say ether way..

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

It's refreshing to hear such clarity and organized thought from a leader.

Hillary could do it.
Romney could do it.
Mayor Pete could do it.

1. Lose?
2. Lose?
3. Lose?

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

Some people say if you watch the tape carefully, Zelensky called Vance a bitch. Not in English, of course...

[jon-nyc]

Having said that, there’s no reasonable definition of ‘bitch’ that Vance wouldn’t clear.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

Having said that, there’s no reasonable definition of ‘bitch’ that Vance wouldn’t clear.

Well, strictly speaking he's not actually canine.

[Renauda]

[Mik]

In any event the Trump administration has no room to complain about name calling.

[LuFins Dad]

So there seems to be some thought that Vance just absolutely torpedoed his future. That was not what Trump was looking for. If you watch the full 40 minutes, you will see that Trump is actually trying to be somewhat conciliatory, while still being his typical grandiose asshole self. He’s trying to work a deal, and he can’t work a deal by being an asshole to the primary adversary. So he is not going to call Putin a terrorist or a dictator. He wants to bring him to the table. And while Trump has a personal intense dislike for Zelenskyy, he will work with him in the interest of coming across as the great peacemaker and getting his Nobel… But, Zelenskyy keeps pushing for security guarantees in this setting, and Trump wants to hold that card in his deck for the negotiations with Putin. Still, Trump comes very close to saying there are Security Agreements through this deal. He talks about European boots on the ground and he comes just short of saying American boots, but strongly suggests it. The point is that Trump is not going to make those promises until they are actually negotiating the deal with Putin, because Zelenskyy is proving to be an unstable partner promising no concessions to Russia at all. Trump might very well need to use the Security Agreements to close the deal with Zelenskyy, but they need Putin at the table.

So Trump tries to play it low key, snd then Vance, rather than trying to end the press conference and moving them back behind closed doors instead decides to chuck a few grenades into the room. Things devolve from there.

Vance is moving himself out of favor quickly. I think he’s too much of a true believer and not enough of a businessman for Trump’s taste.

[Horace]

I doubt Trump is angry with Vance over it. Where did you hear that?