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    George K
    wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 11:28 last edited by
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    Russia targets evacuation site, killing at least 30 civilians and injuring 100 more. Apparently, they disabled the railway, then fired missiles - guided missiles.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 12:50 last edited by
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      Jesus. No depravity too far for them.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 13:43 last edited by
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        This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

        I was only joking

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          8 Apr 2022, 13:43

          This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

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          George K
          wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 13:47 last edited by
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          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

          This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

          As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

          1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
          2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
          3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

          I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            8 Apr 2022, 13:47

            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

            This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

            As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

            1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
            2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
            3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

            I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 13:58 last edited by
            #251

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

            This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

            As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

            1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
            2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
            3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

            I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

            I've mentioned I look at the Twitter account of Sergey Karjakin - he's a very strong chess player who challenged for the World Championship in 2016, so you've got to assume he's moderately smart. He's 32, and according to his Tweets has completely bought into what he's being told by the Putin regime, to the point where he's being really quite offensive. So, either he's morally bankrupt, or he actually believes the rubbish he posts. He's been banned from playing internationally for 6 months, so it's not like he's gaining anything from this, except possibly political capital at home. Most of the other Russian players posted something negative about the war, and then pretty much fell completely silent, for obvious reasons.

            I was only joking

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            • G George K
              8 Apr 2022, 13:47

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

              As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

              1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
              2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
              3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

              I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

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              Renauda
              wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 15:28 last edited by Renauda 4 Aug 2022, 15:31
              #252

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

              As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

              1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
              2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
              3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

              I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

              From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

              And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

              Elbows up!

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              • R Renauda
                8 Apr 2022, 15:28

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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                xenon
                wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:16 last edited by
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                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

                Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

                I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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                • R Renauda
                  8 Apr 2022, 15:28

                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                  As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                  1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                  2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                  3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                  I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                  From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                  And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:38 last edited by
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                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                  And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                  They would do well as members of BLM.

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                  • X xenon
                    8 Apr 2022, 16:16

                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                    As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                    1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                    2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                    3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                    I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                    From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                    And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                    So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

                    Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

                    I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:56 last edited by
                    #255

                    @xenon

                    Whataboutism is a cornerstone of Putin’s propaganda strategy. Just listen to how Lavrov, Peskov and the Russian Ambassador defend the indefensible.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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                      It’s astonishing that after eons of culturally distributed propaganda working flawlessly within every human culture ever, it continues to work now.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • R Renauda
                        8 Apr 2022, 15:28

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                        As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                        1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                        2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                        3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                        I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                        From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                        And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 18:15 last edited by
                        #257

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                        As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                        1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                        2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                        3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                        I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                        From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                        And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                        Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • A Aqua Letifer
                          8 Apr 2022, 18:15

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                          As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                          1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                          2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                          3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                          I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                          From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                          And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                          Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 18:32 last edited by
                          #258

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                          Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                          The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                          • A Aqua Letifer
                            8 Apr 2022, 18:15

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                            As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                            1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                            2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                            3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                            I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                            From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                            And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                            Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:10 last edited by
                            #259

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                            Given enough time, another "world war" is pretty much a sure thing unless:

                            1. We get invaded by aliens (from outer space) first
                            2. We migrate off planet Earth first
                            3. Another global catastrophe got the human race first (pandemic, climate change, mad science gone bad, big meteor, etc.)
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                            • C Copper
                              8 Apr 2022, 18:32

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                              Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                              The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:13 last edited by
                              #260

                              @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                              Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                              The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                              If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • C Copper
                                8 Apr 2022, 18:32

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:49 last edited by
                                #261

                                @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                Nuclear bomb detonates in Paris. Americans wonder what effect this will have on the mid-terms.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:56 last edited by
                                  #262

                                  entire societies can be moved by artful messaging. Why wouldn't someone observe and comment on that messaging? I mean unless they're like a fish not observing and commenting on the water.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 21:03 last edited by
                                    #263

                                    Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • M Mik
                                      8 Apr 2022, 21:03

                                      Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 22:55 last edited by
                                      #264

                                      @Mik

                                      Psy-fi-ops.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 22:56 last edited by
                                        #265

                                        It would likely be more effective had they not put it in the news.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • R Renauda
                                          8 Apr 2022, 20:13

                                          @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                          Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                          The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                          If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 23:44 last edited by
                                          #266

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                          Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                          The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                          If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                                          Maybe you missed it

                                          The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point

                                          Mr. Biden is a war hero

                                          Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.

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