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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #2179

    The wrong training...

    https://www.businessinsider.com/western-fighters-die-in-ukraine-assume-be-easy-us-veteran-2024-5

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2180

      It is beyond me how any veteran could assume any war would be easy.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #2181

        image.jpeg

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #2182

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2183

            Kremlin tells West told to stop “provoking Ukraine to continue this senseless war”:

            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqq2zn3zw6o

            You can be assured that Berlin would have said similar if not the same, had Czechoslovakia fought back against the Nazi invasion and annexation in 1938. That it didn’t fight back, paved the way to the rape of Poland the following year.

            Elbows up!

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            • George KG George K

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              taiwan_girlT Offline
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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on last edited by
              #2184

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              image.jpeg

              50 years from now, Russia will be on its way to disappearing. They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out. And it is the most important generation for the economy.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                image.jpeg

                50 years from now, Russia will be on its way to disappearing. They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out. And it is the most important generation for the economy.

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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #2185

                @taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

                They were already having population problems, and now this war, and the fact that any male who is able to leave has left, means that a whole generation + is wiped out.

                Link to video

                The number of military-aged men is quite small.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2186

                  Wow! Seeing that movie shows that. I guess if you are guy who is looking to date, you are in a good position, but other than that........... not so good.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2187

                    Mirage to Ukraine...

                    https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-to-get-fighter-jets-from-france/

                    That's not as promising as it sounds. Ukraine is getting over 100 F-16 fighters, but only has 22 pilots trained to fly them and is begging for training slots at any nation that will take them. I suppose the same problem will exist with the Mirage fighters...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • W Offline
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                      Wim
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2188

                      Training us supposed to take 6 to 7 months, starting this summer...
                      Go figure ☹️

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2189

                        Should have supplied them in 22.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Should have supplied them in 22.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2190

                          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Should have supplied them in 22.

                          You are right.

                          I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

                          The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Should have supplied them in 22.

                            You are right.

                            I'm not big on foreign wars, but if Ukraine needed the tools to stop Mr. Putin, they need the tools. Not in dribs and drabs, but in sufficient quantity to achieve the mission.

                            The Biden Administration has been very careful to never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time, to make a distinctive difference.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2191

                            @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            never give the Ukranians quite enough at the right time,

                            Yeah, it's almost like he's a Russian agent. I wonder what dirt Putin has on him.

                            Wait, once again, that's from the wrong year.

                            Sorry.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2192

                              The ambiguity and emptiness of Putin’s red lines in Ukraine:

                              https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/fuzzy-red-lines-in-ukraine?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                              Elbows up!

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                                #2193

                                https://wapo.st/3Vll45U

                                https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-zelenskyy-sign-us-ukraine-security-agreement-g7/story?id=111061390

                                Biden, Zelensky to sign 10-year U.S.-Ukraine security deal at G-7 summit

                                Supposedly the agreement "will commit Washington to supply Kyiv with a wide range of military assistance." But unlike NATO, it does not require the U.S. to respond if Ukraine is attacked.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2194

                                  An interesting piece on the possibility of going nuclear.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-nuclear-arsenal-is-crumbling-ukraine-can-take-it-out-for-good/ar-BB1oe8Nv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=78d48b0c768a4563879c728536b1d3dc&ei=13

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • W Offline
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by Wim
                                    #2195

                                    Russia hosts approx. 5900 nuclear arms. Assuming that a lot of them are out of use, Putin still has enough to make his threats believable.
                                    I think this article is a tad too optimistic.

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2196

                                      Putin offers compelling and generous terms:

                                      Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday demanded Ukraine effectively surrender to Moscow if it wants to open peace talks, drawing anger and rebukes from Kyiv and the West.

                                      In a combative speech in Moscow on the eve of a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland, Putin said Russia would halt its offensive only if Ukraine fully withdraws its troops from the east and south and drops its bid for NATO membership.

                                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/14/putin-says-ukraine-must-withdraw-troops-to-start-peace-talks-a85413

                                      I am confident that Putin is just emulating Trump and spitballing riffs that happen to pop into his mind.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2197

                                        "We'll stop shooting at you (for now) if you give us everything we've taken."

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2198

                                          Something like that. Most Christian of Putin to be so magnanimous about it.

                                          Elbows up!

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