The Ukraine war thread
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@Renauda I saw a story (I think it was on Forbes) that the Ukrainians have more, yes MORE, tanks now than they did at the beginning of the "special mission." Despite their losses, they have captured more abandoned tanks than they have lost. I think Forbes said they are up 49 tanks overall.
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The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.
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@Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/
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Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:
Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?
He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.
He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.
FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.
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DON’T let them eat cake.
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Well...
https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626
Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.
Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.
The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.
Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.
But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.
"Security guarantees."
LOLGF
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Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?
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I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.
I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".
The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Samuel Ramani tweets:
(good source for news - https://twitter.com/samramani2)
Zelensky gets it right:
“Yes, we can call positive the signals we hear from the negotiating platform. But these signals do not silence the explosion of Russian shells.”
Russia’s “withdrawal” from Kyiv is looking a lot like Anwar Sadat’s expulsion of Soviet advisors in 1972. An old school Kremlin feint.
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https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-appears-begun-shelling-russian-005724169.html
The Ukrainian military has begun to take the fight to Russian territory, a new development in what has been a primarily defensive war for the country.
Russian authorities were forced to place two villages under emergency orders and evacuate some citizens due to Ukrainian shelling in the area, according to reports from multiple Russian media outlets.
RIA Novosti, a Russian government-controlled publication, reported Tuesday that an explosion near the village of Zhuravlyovka injured four people. The outlet reported that the source of the explosion was an attack that originated from within Ukraine.
Interfax, another Kremlin-friendly publication, reported that Zhuravlyovka and the nearby town of Niekhoteyevka were placed under emergency orders, and roughly 180 people were evacuated to the city of Belgorod as the result of an explosion at an ammunition depot.
Interfax did not pin blame for the explosion on Ukraine, but it did note that authorities believe it was not an accident.
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Lol, took me a minute…
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