The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 11:22 last edited by
That ship that was blown up?
It appears on Russian TV "News" two days earlier:
Link to videoBest comment: "This ship is so sophisticated. Allegedly it can also become a submarine."
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wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 12:56 last edited by
It's well on its way to doing so.
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wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 14:48 last edited by
Updated with some new calculations - on the far right is a column showing the relative losses of Ukrainian vs Russian equipment.
Also losses per day since March 16.
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wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 16:59 last edited by
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wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 20:27 last edited by George K
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Multiply both those number by 4 and you’ll have a fairly accurate number. Approaching the same numbers the Pentagon and Brits are estimating.
wrote on 25 Mar 2022, 23:06 last edited by@Renauda I saw a story (I think it was on Forbes) that the Ukrainians have more, yes MORE, tanks now than they did at the beginning of the "special mission." Despite their losses, they have captured more abandoned tanks than they have lost. I think Forbes said they are up 49 tanks overall.
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wrote on 27 Mar 2022, 11:09 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 13:43 last edited by
The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.
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Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.
There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 15:17 last edited by@Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 15:20 last edited by
Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 15:24 last edited by
@Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:
Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?
He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.
He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.
FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 15:30 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 16:22 last edited by
The stories get more Byzantine as time passes.
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 21:30 last edited by George K
Well...
https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626
Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.
Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.
The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.
Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.
But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.
"Security guarantees."
LOLGF
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wrote on 28 Mar 2022, 21:49 last edited by
As I recall they gave similar security guarantees so Ukraine would give up the nukes. It’s great if it stops hostilities but Russia has no intention to honor any such agreement.
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wrote on 29 Mar 2022, 15:11 last edited by
Updated numbers as of today:
Amazing: The Russians are losing 7 tanks a day since the 16th. About 10/day since the invasion. Of the lost tanks, about half were captured (139) or abandoned (42).
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wrote on 30 Mar 2022, 12:12 last edited by
Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?
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wrote on 30 Mar 2022, 12:21 last edited by
I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.
I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".
The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".