The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 21 May 2023, 19:28 last edited by Renauda
Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.
My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.
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Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.
My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.
wrote on 21 May 2023, 23:34 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.
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wrote on 23 May 2023, 12:11 last edited by
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wrote on 23 May 2023, 18:20 last edited by Mik
Here's where Ukraine is aiming the offensive. Makes perfect sense. All are longer supply lines for the Russians.
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 11:51 last edited by
"Incursions" into Bolgorad.
Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.
Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.
Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.
“The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”
Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.
The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.
The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.
As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."
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"Incursions" into Bolgorad.
Interesting. Looks like Russian territory is under attack.
Russian forces are still fighting for control of parts of the border region of Belgorod, the region’s governor said Tuesday, warning residents of a handful of border villages not to return to their houses the day after authorities there blamed Ukraine for the war’s largest incursion into Russian territory.
Belgorod Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov warned residents not to panic, after some border areas had been evacuated the previous day, but said Russia’s military was still concluding what President Vladimir Putin labeled an antiterrorist operation to push the combatants out of Russia. Early on Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Defense Ministry said forces had encircled the fighters and destroyed the group without giving more details. The ministry said it killed 70 people in the operation. The information couldn’t be independently confirmed.
“The cleanup operation by the defense ministry and security structures is continuing,” Gladkov said in a video on his Telegram channel. “Right now it’s not worth returning to your houses.”
Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, known as HUR, identified the troops as two volunteer groups of Russian citizens who work closely with HUR and said the incident was a consequence of the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine.
The governor of Russia’s Belgorod region said Tuesday that Russian forces were still fighting for control of parts of the region amid an incursion by Ukrainian-backed troops. Photo: Russian Defense Ministry/Reuters
Russian military correspondents said battles were continuing well into the afternoon on Tuesday, with Russian forces trying to stop two units of combatant reinforcements from joining up with the groups inside Russia.The Russian Defense Ministry said it had launched attacks against the combatants using artillery and air power. Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the groups had been encircled and at least 70 members had been killed.
The extent of the original incursion and the affiliations of the combatants couldn’t be confirmed independently but the incident has exposed embarrassing weaknesses around Russia’s border areas as Moscow’s troops prepare for an expected Ukrainian offensive.
As one blogger comments, "... the incursion looked like a propaganda stunt — and in some ways, is sure is. But it’s also turned into an aggravating game of Whack-a-Mole for Moscow."
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 14:06 last edited by George K
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Interesting article. Basically re-iterates what the blogger said - this will divert Russian troops to a defensive posture, further impairing their effectiveness elsewhere. "Whack-a-Mole," indeed.
Also, I don't think one should forget about the psychological impact of an attack on Russian soil - and not just by haphazard drone attacks.
ETA: Also, looking at a map, it appears that Bolgorad is only about 20 km from the Ukraine border. Makes it a nice, easy-to-reach target.
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 14:12 last edited by
Worked for D-Day. Why not here?
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 14:32 last edited by
Indeed, it appears to be a special military operation of some sort. It is certainly ramping up Russian paranoia and hysteria:
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 15:32 last edited by
It's much easier to ignore goings on in someone else's yard.
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 19:15 last edited by
Putin and maps...
https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html
Also on CNN via Youtube
Dumb-dumber-(fill in whatever suits you) 🥴
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 19:23 last edited by
I'm thinking that's not going to pluck anyone's emotional strings.
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 19:43 last edited by
@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
https://glavcom.ua/publications/velikij-konfuz-malenkoho-kartohrafa-putina-929447.html
Wanna go back a few centuries? Have at it.
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wrote on 24 May 2023, 20:51 last edited by
If Putin wants to look at old maps he should have a look at one or two from more recent history that would show his Kaliningrad enclave belonging to the Germany. It was called East Prussia.
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wrote on 25 May 2023, 14:35 last edited by
Putin’s expertise in historical geography is leading to mirthful memes:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/24/putins-antique-map-stunt-stirs-meme-storm-a81260
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wrote on 25 May 2023, 17:07 last edited by
I still maintain that Ragnar Lothbrok has a greater claim on Rus than Putin has on Ukraine.
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wrote on 26 May 2023, 01:23 last edited by Renauda
Vilnius and Warsaw have the strongest claims after the Varangians. Prior to that for all we know it could have been the Huns and Khazars.
Putin’s claim is a best tenuous, but then so was Henry Tudor’s claim to the English throne.
