Sanctions against Russia
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wrote on 1 Mar 2022, 16:51 last edited by
Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
wrote on 1 Mar 2022, 22:45 last edited by@Improviso said in Sanctions?:
Until their iPhones stop working.
Or they can't buy them....
https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/01/apple-ukraine-statement-pause-product-sales/
In a statement to media, Apple said it is deeply concerned about the Russian invasion and said it stands with all those who are suffering as a result of the violence. Apple said it is supporting humanitarian efforts and providing relief aid.
Apple also confirmed that it has paused all product sales and stopped exports into the Russian sales channel. It has also pulled the Russian state media apps for RT News and Sputnik News in all App Store regions outside of Russia.
Apple has also followed Google’s lead in disabling live traffic and incident reporting in Ukraine, in collaboration with local authorities.
Apple joins many other companies who are showing solidarity with Ukraine by pulling their products from the region and limiting the spread of state-backed Russian news media.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:05 last edited by
Will Apple hire an Army when Putin starts shelling in Cupertino?
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:08 last edited by
@Copper said in Sanctions?:
Will Apple hire an Army when Putin starts shelling in Cupertino?
With $200B cash on hand, God knows they could.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:12 last edited by
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:25 last edited by
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:34 last edited by@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 00:46 last edited by@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
I agree...
"I want a phone that no one can turn off."
Because phone.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 01:40 last edited by@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210515 , skim through the “Mark your device as lost or turn on Lost Mode for your item” section and the “Erase a device” section. They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210515 , skim through the “Mark your device as lost or turn on Lost Mode for your item” section and the “Erase a device” section. They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 01:42 last edited by@Axtremus said in Sanctions?:
They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
Yes. If the (cough) owner can erase it...
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 01:49 last edited by@George-K said in Sanctions?:
“… demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.”
Russia may be militarily powerful but Russia is economically weak. “The market” can punish economically weak states just fine. Whether “the market” can punish the economically strong states is not yet demonstrated.
For any punishment dished out by the “the market” on Russia this go around, imagine the same being contemplated to, say, China, and ask yourself whether it will be effective. (E.g., Apple removing apps or essential functionalities from China? Only if Apple thinks it can survive without manufacturing its iPhones and iPads and Macs in China.)
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 02:39 last edited by
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 02:42 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
They should build their own banking and manufacturing infrastructure, right?
Because shut up and bake the cake.
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 03:25 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 03:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 12:41 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
That's not true at all. Shareholders have power, as do customers of the business in question. The people being directly affected typically don't have much say in the matter either way.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 12:48 last edited by
Leading from Behind:
U.S. to Ban Russian Flights From American Airspace
Move follows similar prohibitions by European and Canadian authorities
The U.S. government will ban Russian aircraft from American airspace, broadening aviation restrictions as the West expands sanctions over the war in Ukraine, President Biden said Tuesday during his State of the Union address.
“Tonight I am announcing that we will join our allies in closing off American air space to all Russian flights—further isolating Russia—and adding an additional squeeze on their economy,” Mr. Biden said.
Orders blocking Russian aircraft and airlines from entering U.S. airspace will be effective by the end of Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday evening.
The sweeping orders will mean any plane owned, certified, operated, registered, chartered, leased, or controlled by, for, or for the benefit of a person who is a citizen of Russia will be prohibited from flying over the U.S., the agencies said. The prohibition applies to scheduled and charter passenger and cargo flights.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 15:49 last edited by