Sanctions against Russia
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210515 , skim through the “Mark your device as lost or turn on Lost Mode for your item” section and the “Erase a device” section. They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
“… demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.”
Russia may be militarily powerful but Russia is economically weak. “The market” can punish economically weak states just fine. Whether “the market” can punish the economically strong states is not yet demonstrated.
For any punishment dished out by the “the market” on Russia this go around, imagine the same being contemplated to, say, China, and ask yourself whether it will be effective. (E.g., Apple removing apps or essential functionalities from China? Only if Apple thinks it can survive without manufacturing its iPhones and iPads and Macs in China.)
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
They should build their own banking and manufacturing infrastructure, right?
Because shut up and bake the cake.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
That's not true at all. Shareholders have power, as do customers of the business in question. The people being directly affected typically don't have much say in the matter either way.
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Leading from Behind:
U.S. to Ban Russian Flights From American Airspace
Move follows similar prohibitions by European and Canadian authorities
The U.S. government will ban Russian aircraft from American airspace, broadening aviation restrictions as the West expands sanctions over the war in Ukraine, President Biden said Tuesday during his State of the Union address.
“Tonight I am announcing that we will join our allies in closing off American air space to all Russian flights—further isolating Russia—and adding an additional squeeze on their economy,” Mr. Biden said.
Orders blocking Russian aircraft and airlines from entering U.S. airspace will be effective by the end of Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday evening.
The sweeping orders will mean any plane owned, certified, operated, registered, chartered, leased, or controlled by, for, or for the benefit of a person who is a citizen of Russia will be prohibited from flying over the U.S., the agencies said. The prohibition applies to scheduled and charter passenger and cargo flights.
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@Improviso said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
Oh Noes... ApplePay stopped working. The poor little dears. What will they do?
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Elon Musk likes this.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.
According to social media—which everyone here has access to by the way so there's no need to guess—this is pretty much what's going on, although it seems that not all young people are buying it.
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
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Too lazy to look up the details, but it was maybe 10-12 years ago Orbital had a rocket blow up on the pad at Wallops Island.
It was a Russian rocket, supplied to Orbital, that blew up. I talked to the guy who was buying those Russian rockets (former Shuttle and Station commander). At the time those were the only option. Although they continued to use Russian rockets for a while, that explosion gave incentive to make more American rockets available.
