Sanctions against Russia
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According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
Good point.
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
@Improviso said in Sanctions?:
Until their iPhones stop working.
Or they can't buy them....
https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/01/apple-ukraine-statement-pause-product-sales/
In a statement to media, Apple said it is deeply concerned about the Russian invasion and said it stands with all those who are suffering as a result of the violence. Apple said it is supporting humanitarian efforts and providing relief aid.
Apple also confirmed that it has paused all product sales and stopped exports into the Russian sales channel. It has also pulled the Russian state media apps for RT News and Sputnik News in all App Store regions outside of Russia.
Apple has also followed Google’s lead in disabling live traffic and incident reporting in Ukraine, in collaboration with local authorities.
Apple joins many other companies who are showing solidarity with Ukraine by pulling their products from the region and limiting the spread of state-backed Russian news media.
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I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
I wonder if Apple could remotely brick all Russian iPhones.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But it's a cost/benefit type of thing. It would piss off a lot of people, but, on a practical level, what effect would it have?
Just wondering.
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210515 , skim through the “Mark your device as lost or turn on Lost Mode for your item” section and the “Erase a device” section. They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
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@Klaus said in Sanctions?:
It would be a stupid move, because many people everywhere wouldn't buy iPhones anymore if they knew that Apple can do that.
See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210515 , skim through the “Mark your device as lost or turn on Lost Mode for your item” section and the “Erase a device” section. They get very close to suggesting that Apple has the capability to brick your phone.
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
@George-K said in Sanctions?:
“… demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.”
Russia may be militarily powerful but Russia is economically weak. “The market” can punish economically weak states just fine. Whether “the market” can punish the economically strong states is not yet demonstrated.
For any punishment dished out by the “the market” on Russia this go around, imagine the same being contemplated to, say, China, and ask yourself whether it will be effective. (E.g., Apple removing apps or essential functionalities from China? Only if Apple thinks it can survive without manufacturing its iPhones and iPads and Macs in China.)
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
The Brad
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
They should build their own banking and manufacturing infrastructure, right?
Because shut up and bake the cake.
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
That's not true at all. Shareholders have power, as do customers of the business in question. The people being directly affected typically don't have much say in the matter either way.
