Not a riot

Horace · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 02:13

The way our pop culture thinks of cops these days I imagine will be looked back on at some point with the same disdain we have for the folk who spit on vietnam vets.

Jolly · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 04:01

By a Vietnam Vet on another board....

I've told this story before, but it never gets old.

Riding on a big green ARMY bus, on the way from the separation station in Oakland where we'd just been discharged from the army, to the San Francisco airport. Up ahead on the freeway a bunch of anti-war protestors were in wait, and when they saw the bus jumped out onto the freeway to stop traffic. When the driver, a civilian, got the bus stopped he opened the two doors and yelled "Go get 'em boys!!" Unfortunately we never caught even one of them, they scrambled up the embankment and over the chain link fence before we could get to them, and we were running hard.

? Offline · 3 Jun 2020, 15:21

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

@Jolly said in Not a riot:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.

You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.

I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.

Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...

I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.

My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
But anyways, the reason for the reply is to ponder the possibilities of "drone" cops that are utilized when needed. Robocops! Is it the future?

Jolly · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 04:46

Graveyards will mess with your head, or at least they do that for me. Maybe he needs to start looking around a bit...With his veteran's points, he might get on with the Feds. Some interesting LE jobs there.

My wife's first cousin was U.S. Marshal of the Year, a few years back. He runs a fugitive apprehension team. For the most part, he enjoys his job.

LuFins Dad · 3 Jun 2020, 17:28

It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.

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George K · 3 Jun 2020, 15:22

Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)

MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0

NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0

FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23

Draw your own conclusions.

Aqua Letifer · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:21

@nobodyssock said in Not a riot:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

@Jolly said in Not a riot:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:

They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.

You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.

I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.

Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...

I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.

My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.

I used to run like that. Well, sort of; 35 miles is metal as fuck. I did 11-13 a day, every day, no breaks. Also skipped a lot of rope and did kettles.

You do 35 miles a day, you're either a total mileage junkie (and I know a few like that) or you've got something else going on. Good on your son. It's an impossibly difficult job at the best of times.

Aqua Letifer · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:22

@George-K said in Not a riot:

Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)

MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0

NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0

FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23

Draw your own conclusions.

Why are you trying to categorize it as either/or? You do know that the crowds at night are very different from the daytime, right?

jon-nyc · 6 Mar 2020, 15:41

It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.

Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.

Horace · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 15:48

Informative in the sense that it confirms predictions any reasonable person would make about the relative usage of the two words in left- vs right-leaning news sources.

I suspect people's inner dialogues are shifting right, even if left-leaning news sources aren't.

Doctor Phibes · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:05

My inner dialogues aren't shifting anywhere of the sort, although I must admit I hear the word 'Canada' a lot more than I used to.

Mik · 6 Mar 2020, 16:14

I don't know. There are marches being organized out here in the burbs, in a heavily GOP county. Now whether that is solidarity or trying to prevent it from coming here I do not know.

My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.

Now we see if it had any positive effect.

Horace · M Mik 3 Jun 2020, 16:06

@Mik said in Not a riot:

Now we see if it had any positive effect.

No we don't. We have no reasonable measures to judge by.

Mik · 3 Jun 2020, 16:16

Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?

jon-nyc · 3 Jun 2020, 16:17

“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.

Mik · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:15

I think it needs to be expanded to deaths in police custody period.

Horace · M Mik 3 Jun 2020, 16:14

@Mik said in Not a riot:

Copper, how did you hijack Horace's ID?

I think Copper makes some very good points when he posts stuff like that.

jon-nyc · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:16

Yeah, that would be the reasonable metric. But ask anyone protesting whether that number for blacks has been rising or falling, and I bet you’ll get an answer worse than chance.

Horace · wrote on 3 Jun 2020, 16:17

@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:

“Number of viral videos of cops killing black people” is the one that matters in practice.

Yes which makes the pool of data overwhelmed by random noise and of little significance to what it is supposedly correlated with.

Aqua Letifer · M Mik 3 Jun 2020, 16:06

@Mik said in Not a riot:

My take on it is the demonstrations are running out of steam. At least they are here.

Not here. There were over twice as many demonstrators out by Lafayette yesterday as there were two days ago. Maybe today it'll die down some.

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