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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

      The problem is that it's become politicised, and it's a really, really stupid thing to get political over.

      I was only joking

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        I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

        The problem is that it's become politicised, and it's a really, really stupid thing to get political over.

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        @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

        I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

        Sounds like a convenient way to associate a politician you don't like, with ideas you don't like, even though the politician doesn't advance those particular ideas. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Trump, you don't need to invent more.

        Education is extremely important.

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          @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

          I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

          Sounds like a convenient way to associate a politician you don't like, with ideas you don't like, even though the politician doesn't advance those particular ideas. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Trump, you don't need to invent more.

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          @horace said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

          @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

          I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

          Sounds like a convenient way to associate a politician you don't like, with ideas you don't like, even though the politician doesn't advance those particular ideas. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Trump, you don't need to invent more.

          No, I'm really not trying to associate his views with those of the anti-vaxxers. I thought his performance during the pandemic was mixed - I thought that him lighting a fire under the FDA to a get a vaccine out was a really good thing, but I thought some of his own personal communications were awful beyond belief.

          What I'm getting at is a deep vein of stupidity among groups other than the woke left. They are clearly not alone in being dense beyond belief.

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @horace said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

            @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

            I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

            Sounds like a convenient way to associate a politician you don't like, with ideas you don't like, even though the politician doesn't advance those particular ideas. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Trump, you don't need to invent more.

            No, I'm really not trying to associate his views with those of the anti-vaxxers. I thought his performance during the pandemic was mixed - I thought that him lighting a fire under the FDA to a get a vaccine out was a really good thing, but I thought some of his own personal communications were awful beyond belief.

            What I'm getting at is a deep vein of stupidity among groups other than the woke left. They are clearly not alone in being dense beyond belief.

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            @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

            @horace said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

            @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

            I don't blame Trump, but I do blame some of his supporters, some of whom are every bit as stupid as the woke lefties we keep hearing about.

            Sounds like a convenient way to associate a politician you don't like, with ideas you don't like, even though the politician doesn't advance those particular ideas. There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Trump, you don't need to invent more.

            No, I'm really not trying to associate his views with those of the anti-vaxxers. I thought his performance during the pandemic was mixed - I thought that him lighting a fire under the FDA to a get a vaccine out was a really good thing, but I thought some of his own personal communications were awful beyond belief.

            What I'm getting at is a deep vein of stupidity among groups other than the woke left. They are clearly not alone in being dense beyond belief.

            The woke are alone in their cultural veneration as they live out their stupidity. That's why it's important to acknowledge their stupidity and attempt to shame them for it, while it's basically cathartic piling on to giggle at the stupidity of anti-vaxxers.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Yes, I might have guessed when you do it it’s important work, but when I do it it’s just childish piling on

              I was only joking

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                Trump made anti-vax statements for many years, and even for a while after COVID became a thing he downplayed the seriousness of it and implied many times the government couldn't be trusted. Does he get credit for the speed of vaccines, yes partially, just as he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many of his supporters. The fact that it's newsworthy that he "reveals" he has the booster is a testament to the fact that many people by default would not be sure if the former president was vaccinated.

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                • 89th8 89th

                  Trump made anti-vax statements for many years, and even for a while after COVID became a thing he downplayed the seriousness of it and implied many times the government couldn't be trusted. Does he get credit for the speed of vaccines, yes partially, just as he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many of his supporters. The fact that it's newsworthy that he "reveals" he has the booster is a testament to the fact that many people by default would not be sure if the former president was vaccinated.

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                  @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                  Trump made anti-vax statements for many years, and even for a while after COVID became a thing he downplayed the seriousness of it and implied many times the government couldn't be trusted. Does he get credit for the speed of vaccines, yes partially, just as he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many of his supporters. The fact that it's newsworthy that he "reveals" he has the booster is a testament to the fact that many people by default would not be sure if the former president was vaccinated.

                  Pure bull shit.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    Yes, I might have guessed when you do it it’s important work, but when I do it it’s just childish piling on

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                    @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                    Yes, I might have guessed when you do it it’s important work, but when I do it it’s just childish piling on

                    The broader culture is what it is, and while it's uncomfortable for you to admit that the left is the dominant force, that doesn't make it less so.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      Trump made anti-vax statements for many years, and even for a while after COVID became a thing he downplayed the seriousness of it and implied many times the government couldn't be trusted. Does he get credit for the speed of vaccines, yes partially, just as he gets partial credit for planting the seed of doubt among many of his supporters. The fact that it's newsworthy that he "reveals" he has the booster is a testament to the fact that many people by default would not be sure if the former president was vaccinated.

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                      George K
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                      @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                      anti-vax statements for many years

                      What years were those?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                        anti-vax statements for many years

                        What years were those?

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                        @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                        @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                        anti-vax statements for many years

                        What years were those?

                        You remember these conversations.

                        To be fair, as far as medical hypotheses go, Trump's idea is not completely crazy. Or at least it wouldn't be if this were still 1998.

                        That year, a well-respected journal published a paper by researcher Andrew Wakefield and 12 of his colleagues linking a standard measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to autism. Despite its tiny sample size of 12 and its speculative conclusions, the study was publicized far and wide -- launching a global movement involving celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump) who warned parents to stop vaccinating their children. The result was what public health officials reported was a dangerous drop in MMR vaccinations.

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/17/the-origins-of-donald-trumps-autismvaccine-theory-and-how-it-was-completely-debunked-eons-ago/

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                          @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                          anti-vax statements for many years

                          What years were those?

                          You remember these conversations.

                          To be fair, as far as medical hypotheses go, Trump's idea is not completely crazy. Or at least it wouldn't be if this were still 1998.

                          That year, a well-respected journal published a paper by researcher Andrew Wakefield and 12 of his colleagues linking a standard measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to autism. Despite its tiny sample size of 12 and its speculative conclusions, the study was publicized far and wide -- launching a global movement involving celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump) who warned parents to stop vaccinating their children. The result was what public health officials reported was a dangerous drop in MMR vaccinations.

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/17/the-origins-of-donald-trumps-autismvaccine-theory-and-how-it-was-completely-debunked-eons-ago/

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                          @copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                          Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump)

                          The Three Wise Men of modern times.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @copper said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                            Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey (and of course Trump)

                            The Three Wise Men of modern times.

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                            George K
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                            @doctor-phibes said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                            The Three Wise Men of modern times.

                            Well, Trump has "followed the science." His place in the triumvirate has been assumed by Robert Kennedy Jr.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                              anti-vax statements for many years

                              What years were those?

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                              @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                              @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                              anti-vax statements for many years

                              What years were those?

                              2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...

                              You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                anti-vax statements for many years

                                What years were those?

                                2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...

                                You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.

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                                George K
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                                @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                  During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

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                                  @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                  @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                  During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                  I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                  Link to video

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                                    @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                    @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                    During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                    I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                    Link to video

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                                    @xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                    I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                    I understand that, and that's why I rephrased my question.

                                    Did he ever hold anti-vax view wrt COVID?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                      @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                      anti-vax statements for many years

                                      What years were those?

                                      2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...

                                      You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.

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                                      @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                      @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                      @89th said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                      anti-vax statements for many years

                                      What years were those?

                                      2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, ...

                                      You know, right around the time of his failed obsession with Obama's birth certificate.

                                      You mean back when he was discussing the accuracy of Hillary Clinton's claim?

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                                        @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                        @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                        During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                        I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                        Link to video

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                                        @xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                        @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                        @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                        During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                        I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                        Link to video

                                        In that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...

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                                          @xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                          @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                          @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                          During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                          I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                          Link to video

                                          In that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...

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                                          @larry said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                          @xenon said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                          @george-k said in For those who blame Trump for antivax:

                                          @89th my bad, I should have been more specific.

                                          During what years was Trump against the COVID vaccine?

                                          I think 89 was making point that Trump has generally held anti-vax views.

                                          Link to video

                                          In that video Trump said, and I quote "I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF VACCINES". Yet you offer it up as "evidence" that he was anti vaccines, and with a straight face you expect to be taken seriously...

                                          “I’m totally in favor of vaccines, but the way we give them now probably give kids autism”

                                          Fair paraphrase?

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