Omicron variant: Move over, Delta
-
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:46 last edited by
@renauda said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
No one ever said a virus behaved or virused logically.
I mean the conclusion. It’s very possible that the virus causes general milder symptoms, and even probable over time that newer versions will cause milder symptoms. It’s what happened with the flu and other viruses in the past. What is not logical is concluding that it is milder because it bonded with a cold virus…
-
@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
It’s reasonable to assume the virus will become less deadly over time. Prognosticating Omicron this early? Not logical. And if it is less deadly, stating it’s because it bonded with a cold virus? That’s like the Underwear Gnome Equation.
-
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:57 last edited by
I have absolutely no problem getting a virus, however I'm afraid that I have no real idea how they work.
In that way, they're a lot like smartphones, which also seem to mutate into something even more awful on a depressingly regular basis.
-
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 21:15 last edited by
-
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 22:40 last edited by
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
-
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 00:23 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
I see we read the same literature.
-
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 01:47 last edited by Renauda 12 Jul 2021, 01:48@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
So much for populism, eh? Right or left populism it doesn’t matter. It always comes back to the idiocy of the common rabble.
-
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:29 last edited by
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
I really can't imagine a group of more insufferable people than these 5....
Indeed. They remind me of the opinions/noise you'd here from a group of women outside a grocery store or at a happy hour who decide to get into a current events discussion. Personally, I only watch because of that sweet eye candy, Ms Behar.
-
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:31 last edited by
"Do any of you men have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus? How dare you talk about what a fetus wants! You have no idea."
First, neither do you. Second, the fetus is the result of two ingredients, one comes from the man. #sexytime
-
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:34 last edited by
"Do any of you men have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus? How dare you talk about what a fetus wants! You have no idea."
Bigot, the phrase is non-birthing person. Time for someone to get canceled…
-
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:21 last edited by
-
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:27 last edited by
-
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:45 last edited by Horace
The vast majority of social ideas in anybody's head are "populist" received ideas taken on faith and held together by agreement. We term ideas "populist" as individuals if an idea we consider stupid is held by a critical mass of people. One man's populism is another man's wisdom. Witness wokeness, considered by most here populist, but by others, including academic and media elite, to be the height of intellectualism and wisdom.
-
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:55 last edited by
@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
And this is why my surgeon friend pisses me off. He throws out all of these "statistics" about adverse reactions, the number of deaths because of the vaccination, etc.
And yet, how many of the hundreds of thousands in the US would be alive had they been vaccinated? Surely deaths avoided count for something.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
-
@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
And this is why my surgeon friend pisses me off. He throws out all of these "statistics" about adverse reactions, the number of deaths because of the vaccination, etc.
And yet, how many of the hundreds of thousands in the US would be alive had they been vaccinated? Surely deaths avoided count for something.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:56 last edited by@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
Eh, only would have made you angrier would be me guess.
-
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 23:43 last edited by
I asked that of my antivax friends at the all class reunion. They responded with their treasured ivermectin stashes.
-
wrote on 14 Dec 2021, 02:09 last edited by
@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
But the total hospitalizations are still about the same proportion to new cases as they were a year ago…
-
@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
But the total hospitalizations are still about the same proportion to new cases as they were a year ago…
wrote on 14 Dec 2021, 05:16 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
But the total hospitalizations are still about the same proportion to new cases as they were a year ago…
- What's the scope of that number? In VA? America? The world? In what range is it the same?
- Do you know if the barrier to entry in hospitals has changed at all in your selected area at that time?
- Has the way hospitals keep track of those numbers changed at all? How about the number of new cases? (Again, in your chosen area.)
- Has the virus changed at all?
- Have the percentage of vaccinations per population changed at all? (Again, for your chosen area.)
Spoiler: none of those things are the same as in 2020. None. So either nothing we do means anything and it's time for Radical Nihilism, or your belief that those proportions have stayed the same for your given population base is happenstance.
-
wrote on 14 Dec 2021, 13:20 last edited by
-
@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
But the total hospitalizations are still about the same proportion to new cases as they were a year ago…
- What's the scope of that number? In VA? America? The world? In what range is it the same?
- Do you know if the barrier to entry in hospitals has changed at all in your selected area at that time?
- Has the way hospitals keep track of those numbers changed at all? How about the number of new cases? (Again, in your chosen area.)
- Has the virus changed at all?
- Have the percentage of vaccinations per population changed at all? (Again, for your chosen area.)
Spoiler: none of those things are the same as in 2020. None. So either nothing we do means anything and it's time for Radical Nihilism, or your belief that those proportions have stayed the same for your given population base is happenstance.
wrote on 14 Dec 2021, 14:26 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
But the total hospitalizations are still about the same proportion to new cases as they were a year ago…
- What's the scope of that number? In VA? America? The world? In what range is it the same?
- Do you know if the barrier to entry in hospitals has changed at all in your selected area at that time?
- Has the way hospitals keep track of those numbers changed at all? How about the number of new cases? (Again, in your chosen area.)
- Has the virus changed at all?
- Have the percentage of vaccinations per population changed at all? (Again, for your chosen area.)
Spoiler: none of those things are the same as in 2020. None. So either nothing we do means anything and it's time for Radical Nihilism, or your belief that those proportions have stayed the same for your given population base is happenstance.
I’m leaning towards the Nihilism as far as COVID is concerned.