Omicron variant: Move over, Delta
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/omicron-covid-reinfection-vaccine-protection.html
Omicron continues to spread across the United States, and around the world, as scientists try to pin down how fast it spreads and how much of a threat it poses compared to other strains of the virus . As of Saturday morning, omicron cases had been reported in 12 U.S. states, pretty much all of which were among people who had traveled to South Africa recently. None of the cases so far in the U.S. have resulted in serious illness; and the World Health Organization has said that no omicron cases, which have been detected in at least 38 countries, have resulted in death.
WHO officials note that it will take weeks to know how infectious omicron really is and how effective the current crop of vaccines is against the new variant. Experts emphasize that vaccines will provide some protection against the variant, especially against the worse outcomes of infection, like hospitalization and death. “There’s no reason to suppose that they won’t,” Michael Ryan, head of emergencies at the WHO said. That said, preliminary data appears to suggest omicron is able to cause reinfection at a higher rate compared to previous variants, which is of particular concern to countries where vaccination rates are low.
That natural immunity to the virus might not hold up as well against omicron hints that the vaccines might not provide as much protection against the new variant as they have against previous strains. “It’s scary that there are so many reinfections happening, which means that vaccine-induced immunity may also be impacted in similar way,” Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale, tells the New York Times. The location of the new variant’s many mutations also suggests it is able to evade at some of the immunity built up by vaccines. But it’s not all worrying news: early data suggests “omicron won’t be impervious to the body’s second line of defense, T-cells,” notes Bloomberg.
Scientists in South Africa report that Omicron appears to be spreading twice as fast as Delta there. Part of the reason why omicron may be more transmissible is because it appears to have picked up genetic material from a virus that causes the common cold in humans. That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 15:23 last edited by@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 15:59 last edited by Renauda 12 Jun 2021, 16:00
No one ever said a virus behaved or virused logically.
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@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 16:16 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Jun 2021, 16:17@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
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@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 16:29 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:46 last edited by
@renauda said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
No one ever said a virus behaved or virused logically.
I mean the conclusion. It’s very possible that the virus causes general milder symptoms, and even probable over time that newer versions will cause milder symptoms. It’s what happened with the flu and other viruses in the past. What is not logical is concluding that it is milder because it bonded with a cold virus…
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@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
That is the conclusion of another pre-print study in which researchers “found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold,” reports the Washington Post. That could mean the variant spreads more easily but only causes mild or asymptomatic illness.
How does that work out? That doesn’t even make logical sense.
Why not? There’s not much selective pressure on the virus to become less deadly since deaths occur so long after contagion but there’s no reason it can’t happen.
It’s reasonable to assume the virus will become less deadly over time. Prognosticating Omicron this early? Not logical. And if it is less deadly, stating it’s because it bonded with a cold virus? That’s like the Underwear Gnome Equation.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2021, 17:57 last edited by
I have absolutely no problem getting a virus, however I'm afraid that I have no real idea how they work.
In that way, they're a lot like smartphones, which also seem to mutate into something even more awful on a depressingly regular basis.
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People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
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People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 00:23 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
I see we read the same literature.
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People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 01:47 last edited by Renauda 12 Jul 2021, 01:48@lufins-dad said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
People are idiots. The larger the group, the bigger the idiocy.
So much for populism, eh? Right or left populism it doesn’t matter. It always comes back to the idiocy of the common rabble.
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wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:29 last edited by
@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
I really can't imagine a group of more insufferable people than these 5....
Indeed. They remind me of the opinions/noise you'd here from a group of women outside a grocery store or at a happy hour who decide to get into a current events discussion. Personally, I only watch because of that sweet eye candy, Ms Behar.
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wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:31 last edited by
"Do any of you men have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus? How dare you talk about what a fetus wants! You have no idea."
First, neither do you. Second, the fetus is the result of two ingredients, one comes from the man. #sexytime
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wrote on 7 Dec 2021, 12:34 last edited by
"Do any of you men have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus? How dare you talk about what a fetus wants! You have no idea."
Bigot, the phrase is non-birthing person. Time for someone to get canceled…
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wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:45 last edited by Horace
The vast majority of social ideas in anybody's head are "populist" received ideas taken on faith and held together by agreement. We term ideas "populist" as individuals if an idea we consider stupid is held by a critical mass of people. One man's populism is another man's wisdom. Witness wokeness, considered by most here populist, but by others, including academic and media elite, to be the height of intellectualism and wisdom.
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wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:55 last edited by
@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
And this is why my surgeon friend pisses me off. He throws out all of these "statistics" about adverse reactions, the number of deaths because of the vaccination, etc.
And yet, how many of the hundreds of thousands in the US would be alive had they been vaccinated? Surely deaths avoided count for something.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
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@aqua-letifer said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
Because statistics.
And this is why my surgeon friend pisses me off. He throws out all of these "statistics" about adverse reactions, the number of deaths because of the vaccination, etc.
And yet, how many of the hundreds of thousands in the US would be alive had they been vaccinated? Surely deaths avoided count for something.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 17:56 last edited by@george-k said in Omicron variant: Move over, Delta:
As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't ask him, "OK, what's the alternative, if not vaccination?" Should have.
Eh, only would have made you angrier would be me guess.
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wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 23:43 last edited by
I asked that of my antivax friends at the all class reunion. They responded with their treasured ivermectin stashes.