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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    You chaps do realise it's already illegal to drive over the limit, right?

    If they catch you now, you're fucked, and what's more you deserve to be. I know people who've suffered life changing injuries due to a drunk driver, and the driver thought he was absolutely fine.

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    Renauda
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    #10

    @doctor-phibes said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

    You chaps do realise it's already illegal to drive over the limit, right?

    A minor detail. Probably not to be taken seriously when personal civil liberties are involved.

    Elbows up!

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      It's a simple choice, really.

      Freedom vs. safety.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        It's a simple choice, really.

        Freedom vs. safety.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #12

        @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

        It's a simple choice, really.

        Freedom vs. safety.

        The thing about impaired driving is that you're affecting other people's safety as well as your own. Your claim to freedom ends when you adversely affect my children's safety.

        I was only joking

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
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          #13

          It’s really not freedom vs safety. It’s rights vs responsibilities.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #14

            I remember a few years back a drunk driver sued the bar that served him after he got injured after falling off his stupid motorbike. What a cock.

            I was only joking

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #15

              Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

              Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

              Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

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                @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

                Great ideas, thanks

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                  Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                  Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

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                  #17

                  @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                  Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                  Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                  Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

                  There's been an ever increasing level of safety legislation in cars over the last few decades, and if you look at the death rates, it's worked. I'd be willing to bet that there was resistance to almost every improvement from some quarters.

                  325547b9-eb13-4125-b930-2656ea9b68d4-image.png

                  I was only joking

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                  • MikM Mik

                    It’s really not freedom vs safety. It’s rights vs responsibilities.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    @mik said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                    It’s really not freedom vs safety. It’s rights vs responsibilities.

                    Isn't that part of the equation?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                      Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                      Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                      Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

                      There's been an ever increasing level of safety legislation in cars over the last few decades, and if you look at the death rates, it's worked. I'd be willing to bet that there was resistance to almost every improvement from some quarters.

                      325547b9-eb13-4125-b930-2656ea9b68d4-image.png

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #19

                      @doctor-phibes said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                      @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                      Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                      Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                      Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

                      There's been an ever increasing level of safety legislation in cars over the last few decades, and if you look at the death rates, it's worked. I'd be willing to bet that there was resistance to almost every improvement from some quarters.

                      325547b9-eb13-4125-b930-2656ea9b68d4-image.png

                      I would say there is a massive difference between crumple zones, airbag standards, and child restraints vs. the car not liking how you are driving and pulling over…

                      The Brad

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        It's a simple choice, really.

                        Freedom vs. safety.

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                        @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                        It's a simple choice, really.

                        Freedom vs. safety.

                        I agree. Again, you have to compromise to live in a civilized society.

                        You want 100% personal freedom to do what you want? Check out Eritrea, or a country like that.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          It's a simple choice, really.

                          Freedom vs. safety.

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                          It's a simple choice, really.

                          Freedom vs. safety.

                          Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                            It's a simple choice, really.

                            Freedom vs. safety.

                            Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            @renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                            @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                            It's a simple choice, really.

                            Freedom vs. safety.

                            Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.

                            I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                              @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                              It's a simple choice, really.

                              Freedom vs. safety.

                              Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.

                              I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.

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                              Renauda
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                              @lufins-dad

                              Then what’s the issue here?

                              Elbows up!

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                                jon-nyc
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                                I hope they perfect self driving cars by then.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                  @jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                  It's a simple choice, really.

                                  Freedom vs. safety.

                                  Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.

                                  I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.

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                                  @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                  I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.

                                  This.

                                  I don't think I've ever driven while drunk, but if I'd had to buy a car with a device for detection, my first course of action would be to find a way to disable it.

                                  I'm very much against the government micro-managing my life. I want a society of adults who can take care of themselves, not a society of kids who needs constant protection from themselves.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                                      Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.

                                      Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
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                                      #27

                                      @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                      Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                                      It may very well Bev absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are the small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.

                                      As always, follow the money.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                        Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                                        It may very well Bev absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are the small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.

                                        As always, follow the money.

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        @renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                        @lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:

                                        Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.

                                        It may very well absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are a small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.

                                        As always, follow the money.

                                        So are the end results lower premiums for customers or record profits for the insurers?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
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                                          #29

                                          I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.

                                          Scenario - you are camping pretty far out. You and all your buddies are drinking and someone gets hurt. How do you get help?

                                          You are the designated driver, all your friends are drunk. How does the car determine that only the passengers have been drinking?

                                          All these things have to be thought out.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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