Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars
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@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.
Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….
There's been an ever increasing level of safety legislation in cars over the last few decades, and if you look at the death rates, it's worked. I'd be willing to bet that there was resistance to almost every improvement from some quarters.
@doctor-phibes said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.
Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….
There's been an ever increasing level of safety legislation in cars over the last few decades, and if you look at the death rates, it's worked. I'd be willing to bet that there was resistance to almost every improvement from some quarters.
I would say there is a massive difference between crumple zones, airbag standards, and child restraints vs. the car not liking how you are driving and pulling over…
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@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
I agree. Again, you have to compromise to live in a civilized society.
You want 100% personal freedom to do what you want? Check out Eritrea, or a country like that.
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@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.
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@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.
@renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.
I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.
The Brad
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@renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.
I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.
Then what’s the issue here?
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@renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@jolly said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
It's a simple choice, really.
Freedom vs. safety.
Not exactly. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads is an earned privilege that comes with accountability. If you drink, don’t drive.
I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I agree. What I don’t agree with is the assumption of guilt that must be disproven to be allowed to drive.
This.
I don't think I've ever driven while drunk, but if I'd had to buy a car with a device for detection, my first course of action would be to find a way to disable it.
I'm very much against the government micro-managing my life. I want a society of adults who can take care of themselves, not a society of kids who needs constant protection from themselves.
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Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
Do any of your cars have lane departure mitigation? Our new Honda does. It’s a feature that I had to turn off because I naturally end to hug the center line. Not cross the line, but run within 2-3 feet. Where I grew up we had very narrow road lanes due to the terrain. With the lane departure mitigation on, it is always trying to correct me. According to the technology they are citing in the article, I would be pulled over and shut down. Screw that.
Beyond that, why not set it up for other offenses? Driving 10 MPH over the speed limit? Pull it over and shut it down… Go through a stop sign? Shut it down… Run a yellow a little too late? Here’s your ticket… Would likely save more lives than the drunk driving mitigation….
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
It may very well Bev absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are the small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.
As always, follow the money.
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@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
It may very well Bev absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are the small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.
As always, follow the money.
@renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
It may very well absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are a small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.
As always, follow the money.
So are the end results lower premiums for customers or record profits for the insurers?
The Brad
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I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.
Scenario - you are camping pretty far out. You and all your buddies are drinking and someone gets hurt. How do you get help?
You are the designated driver, all your friends are drunk. How does the car determine that only the passengers have been drinking?
All these things have to be thought out.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.
Scenario - you are camping pretty far out. You and all your buddies are drinking and someone gets hurt. How do you get help?
You are the designated driver, all your friends are drunk. How does the car determine that only the passengers have been drinking?
All these things have to be thought out.
@mik said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel, too.
There's no point getting all over-excited about something when we don't know the details of how it works.
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@renauda said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
Read a little more about this. It’s absurd.
It may very well absurd, but take into account the costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry. You can be rest assured civil interest groups such as MADD are a small lobbyists pushing for these regulations. My money is on the insurance industry to be the prime mover behind this and similar safety regulations. It would try such on its own but knows that it is much better to get the legislators on board and enact appropriate legislation. It’s a big win for insurers given the current medical and civil costs of drunk driving to the insurance industry.
As always, follow the money.
So are the end results lower premiums for customers or record profits for the insurers?
@lufins-dad said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
So are the end results lower premiums for customers or record profits for the insurers?
Lower premiums? Almost certainly once most vehicles on the road are equipped with the technology and statistics shows its efficacy.
Record profits? As always banks and insurance companies do not lose money.
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I'm going to market little cans of compressed breath with a mouth shaped top for drunks to use to get around the breathalyzer.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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I'm going to market little cans of compressed breath with a mouth shaped top for drunks to use to get around the breathalyzer.
@jon-nyc said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I'm going to market little cans of compressed breath with a mouth shaped top for drunks to use to get around the breathalyzer.
People will just end up having sex with it.
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@jon-nyc said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I'm going to market little cans of compressed breath with a mouth shaped top for drunks to use to get around the breathalyzer.
People will just end up having sex with it.
@horace said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
@jon-nyc said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I'm going to market little cans of compressed breath with a mouth shaped top for drunks to use to get around the breathalyzer.
People will just end up having sex with it.
Not if it's got Jon's breath in it, they won't.
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I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.
Scenario - you are camping pretty far out. You and all your buddies are drinking and someone gets hurt. How do you get help?
You are the designated driver, all your friends are drunk. How does the car determine that only the passengers have been drinking?
All these things have to be thought out.
@mik said in Drunk Drive Sensors To Be Required in US Cars:
I'm agnostic on this - whether it is good or bad remains to be seen. It could be something great depending on how it is implemented.
Scenario - you are camping pretty far out. You and all your buddies are drinking and someone gets hurt. How do you get help?
You are the designated driver, all your friends are drunk. How does the car determine that only the passengers have been drinking?
All these things have to be thought out.
I have no doubt that the technology will work very effectively and will save countless lives. I also have no doubt that there will be some few incidents where there will be an accident when the cameras malfunction and a crash results or a situation like Mik suggests, but those will be the extremely rare incidents when compared to the number of drunk driving incidents prevented.
That still doesn’t change the fact that they are crossing a severe line by forcing a driver to prove their innocence before allowing them to drive. That is outrageous.
