Vaccinating kids.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 11:35 last edited by
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 11:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
So that they're less likely to give it to others, presumably, and because it's not just lethality, there's a risk of serious illness, and kids who are already ill with something else are at greater risk.
I think a better question is why are so many people questioning the wisdom of vaccination for this particular disease.
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@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
So that they're less likely to give it to others, presumably, and because it's not just lethality, there's a risk of serious illness, and kids who are already ill with something else are at greater risk.
I think a better question is why are so many people questioning the wisdom of vaccination for this particular disease.
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 11:55 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
So that they're less likely to give it to others, presumably, and because it's not just lethality, there's a risk of serious illness, and kids who are already ill with something else are at greater risk.
I think a better question is why are so many people questioning the wisdom of vaccination for this particular disease.
I would like to see some transmission numbers as a comparison.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 12:44 last edited by
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
Same reason they get flu shots, I guess.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 12:57 last edited by
Most kids don't get flu shots.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 13:01 last edited by
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 13:22 last edited by
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
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@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 13:33 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school
I believe it became a requirement about a year ago
And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school
I believe it became a requirement about a year ago
And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 13:36 last edited by@copper said in Vaccinating kids.:
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school
I believe it became a requirement about a year ago
And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?
Oh, my mistake. It's gone away again.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 13:59 last edited by
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
Most kids don't get flu shots.
Might be the case where you live, but not here where I live.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:14 last edited by
Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.
He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?
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Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.
He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:18 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:
Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.
He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?
We're talking to our pediatrician next month about this, seeing what she thinks. But because COVID didn't exist three years ago, we're going to weigh the pediatrician's advice against what we can find on our own regarding the pros and cons and try to go from there. Right now our chances of getting our daughter vaccinated is too vague to tell, so 50/50.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:21 last edited by
Can kids spread COVID 19? Absolutely, but study after study has shown they spread it at a vastly lower rate than adults do, which is why our schools aren’t raging hellholes of COVID…
What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…
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Can kids spread COVID 19? Absolutely, but study after study has shown they spread it at a vastly lower rate than adults do, which is why our schools aren’t raging hellholes of COVID…
What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:22 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:
What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…
You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:
What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…
You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:25 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
@lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:
What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…
You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?
Yes, which means a somewhat accurate measurement of how many are infected, and considering the CDC is not tracking breakthroughs unless they pass a significant threshold of symptoms (read hospital visit) then that is impossible.
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@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 14:54 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 15:14 last edited by
I figured most kids got the flu shot. Anyway, ours do (1 and 3) and I've started getting it every year (I used to be hit or miss) ever since my FIL had a bad sickness that has made him relatively high risk if he gets badly ill.
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@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 15:55 last edited by@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.
If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease, then your whole point becomes meaningless. The only relevant question is whether or not that's actually true.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 16:43 last edited by
just some thoughts on this.
we vaccinate children today for rubella for only one reason. rubella is very mild in children, the reason we vaccinate for rubella is to keep the prevalence of the virus low to protect pregnant woman from possibly getting infected and causing birth defects.
the risk of OPV (oral polio vaccine) causing paralysis, from the small chance that an attenuated virus becomes virulent is about 1.6 per million, but when there are outbreaks of polio now and then, OPV is given without hesitation to all children, again to keep the prevalence of the virus almost non existant.
so the idea of vaccinating children to protect society is not new at all.
as usual, this pandemic erupted when society has become polarized, so comparison to previous epidemics is useless.
society has been dumbed down considerably over the past few years.
having said all that, Israel will probably mass vaccinate children starting mid november, about two weeks from now. The main reason-lower viral prevalence will protect all of society.
not a new concept. just keeping public health as it has been and should be. -
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
@jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:
For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?
That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.
Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.
If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease, then your whole point becomes meaningless. The only relevant question is whether or not that's actually true.
wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 17:42 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:
If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease
Without any research to back me up I'd say the benefit of daily exercise > the benefit of the vaccine
Why not mandate daily exercise?
