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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Most kids don't get flu shots.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Most kids don't get flu shots.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

      Most kids don't get flu shots.

      It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school

      I was only joking

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

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        @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

        For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

        That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

          Most kids don't get flu shots.

          It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school

          CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #8

          @doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:

          @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

          Most kids don't get flu shots.

          It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school

          I believe it became a requirement about a year ago

          And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?

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          • CopperC Copper

            @doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:

            @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

            Most kids don't get flu shots.

            It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school

            I believe it became a requirement about a year ago

            And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?

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            Doctor Phibes
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            @copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

            @doctor-phibes said in Vaccinating kids.:

            @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

            Most kids don't get flu shots.

            It's a requirement in Massachusetts if you want to go to school

            I believe it became a requirement about a year ago

            And the requirement was dropped this year, did it come back again?

            Oh, my mistake. It's gone away again.

            I was only joking

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Most kids don't get flu shots.

              RenaudaR Offline
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              @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

              Most kids don't get flu shots.

              Might be the case where you live, but not here where I live.

              Elbows up!

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.

                He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.

                  He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?

                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                  @lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:

                  Our family doc won’t give the flu shots to kids unless asked and prodded by the parents. On the other hand, he will pester the hell out of anybody over 24 to get the shot.

                  He thinks it’s good for the kid’s immune system to learn to fight the virus naturally. I wonder where he’ll fall on this vaccine?

                  We're talking to our pediatrician next month about this, seeing what she thinks. But because COVID didn't exist three years ago, we're going to weigh the pediatrician's advice against what we can find on our own regarding the pros and cons and try to go from there. Right now our chances of getting our daughter vaccinated is too vague to tell, so 50/50.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    Can kids spread COVID 19? Absolutely, but study after study has shown they spread it at a vastly lower rate than adults do, which is why our schools aren’t raging hellholes of COVID…

                    What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Can kids spread COVID 19? Absolutely, but study after study has shown they spread it at a vastly lower rate than adults do, which is why our schools aren’t raging hellholes of COVID…

                      What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…

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                      @lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:

                      What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…

                      You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:

                        What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…

                        You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?

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                        @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                        @lufins-dad said in Vaccinating kids.:

                        What I would like to see (and we never will in this country) is a comparison between vaccinated adults and unvaccinated children. Who spreads more? My guess is vaccinated adults…

                        You mean the subset of both who get infected, right?

                        Yes, which means a somewhat accurate measurement of how many are infected, and considering the CDC is not tracking breakthroughs unless they pass a significant threshold of symptoms (read hospital visit) then that is impossible.

                        The Brad

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                          For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

                          That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

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                          @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                          @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                          For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

                          That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

                          Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            I figured most kids got the flu shot. Anyway, ours do (1 and 3) and I've started getting it every year (I used to be hit or miss) ever since my FIL had a bad sickness that has made him relatively high risk if he gets badly ill.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                              @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                              For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

                              That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

                              Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                              @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                              @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                              For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

                              That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

                              Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.

                              If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease, then your whole point becomes meaningless. The only relevant question is whether or not that's actually true.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                just some thoughts on this.

                                we vaccinate children today for rubella for only one reason. rubella is very mild in children, the reason we vaccinate for rubella is to keep the prevalence of the virus low to protect pregnant woman from possibly getting infected and causing birth defects.

                                the risk of OPV (oral polio vaccine) causing paralysis, from the small chance that an attenuated virus becomes virulent is about 1.6 per million, but when there are outbreaks of polio now and then, OPV is given without hesitation to all children, again to keep the prevalence of the virus almost non existant.

                                so the idea of vaccinating children to protect society is not new at all.

                                as usual, this pandemic erupted when society has become polarized, so comparison to previous epidemics is useless.

                                society has been dumbed down considerably over the past few years.

                                having said all that, Israel will probably mass vaccinate children starting mid november, about two weeks from now. The main reason-lower viral prevalence will protect all of society.
                                not a new concept. just keeping public health as it has been and should be.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                  @jolly said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                  For a disease that is rarely lethal to children, why are we vaccinating?

                                  That's the same argument Jim Carey superfans use to not vaccinate their kids against the measles. Literally the exact same.

                                  Big difference. Measles can be fairly lethal.

                                  If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease, then your whole point becomes meaningless. The only relevant question is whether or not that's actually true.

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                                  Copper
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                                  @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                  If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease

                                  Without any research to back me up I'd say the benefit of daily exercise > the benefit of the vaccine

                                  Why not mandate daily exercise?

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                    If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease

                                    Without any research to back me up I'd say the benefit of daily exercise > the benefit of the vaccine

                                    Why not mandate daily exercise?

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                    If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease

                                    Without any research to back me up I'd say the benefit of daily exercise > the benefit of the vaccine

                                    Why not mandate daily exercise?

                                    And not eating McDonalds

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                      @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                      If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease

                                      Without any research to back me up I'd say the benefit of daily exercise > the benefit of the vaccine

                                      Why not mandate daily exercise?

                                      And not eating McDonalds

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                      @@copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                      Why not mandate daily exercise?

                                      Because you literally started that thought by saying you have no evidence whatsoever.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @@copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                        Why not mandate daily exercise?

                                        Because you literally started that thought by saying you have no evidence whatsoever.

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                                        Copper
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                                        @aqua-letifer said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                        @@copper said in Vaccinating kids.:

                                        Why not mandate daily exercise?

                                        Because you literally started that thought by saying you have no evidence whatsoever.

                                        The same as

                                        If the risk of the vaccination < the risk from the disease

                                        But a little clearer

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                                          @copper risk of vaccine is less than risk of infection

                                          Here is the data

                                          http://clalitresearch.org/largest-real-world-study-of-covid-19-vaccine-safety-published-by-israels-clalit-research-institute-in-the-new-england-journal-of-medicine/

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