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Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate

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  • D Doctor Phibes
    26 Oct 2021, 22:36

    @axtremus said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    I just can't believe that freaking great big batteries are the future.

    "Battery" as a concept is very broad, generally an energy storage device that can supply power using its stored energy. It does not even need to be "rechargeable."

    The Matrix imagines a world where humans used as "batteries."

    Even after we figure out miniaturized room-temperature nuclear fusion, it would still be a "battery," and that may not be a bad future.

    Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 27 Oct 2021, 02:10 last edited by
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    @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

    Have you been spending time with people from California by any chance?

    Well, I did have dinner with Horace once.

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 28 Oct 2021, 02:24 last edited by
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      Maybe hydrogen fuel car?

      I know that there are many obstacle to overcome with safety, pressure tanks, etc. but could be a way to go.

      Hydrogen is easy to get, and unlimited.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 01:50 last edited by
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        Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.

        (https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)

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        • T taiwan_girl
          29 Oct 2021, 01:50

          Maybe I am a mind reader (LOL) but this article showed up after I had posted above.

          (https://news.yahoo.com/toyota-testing-hydrogen-combustion-engines-042052030.html)

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          George K
          wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 11:10 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl I remember reading that Toyota is really interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I was aware of them looking at it for fuel cells, but not as something to be used in an internal combustion engine.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 11:54 last edited by
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            Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.

            I was only joking

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            • D Doctor Phibes
              29 Oct 2021, 11:54

              Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution. Batteries are disgusting great chemical things, whose main benefit appears to be making people feel better about themselves.

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              Copper
              wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:10 last edited by
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              @doctor-phibes said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

              Hydrogen has to be the long-term solution.

              Maybe not so long

              https://futurism.com/toyota-selling-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car

              https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1133367_toyota-will-make-hydrogen-fuel-cell-modules-in-the-us-starting-in-2023

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                George K
                wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:18 last edited by
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                The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."

                I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • G George K
                  29 Oct 2021, 12:18

                  The electric infrastructure is awful. Few people want to plan their trips around where they can charge up their cars. And that's not to say anything about the fact that, once you find a spot, it'll take you at least 20 minutes to "gas up."

                  I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:25 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                  @george-k said in Gas powered cars are cheaper to operate:

                  I can see hydrogen as a much more practical alternative. I wonder what the retro-fit to traditional gas stations would be like. Presumably, easier than building new charging stations de novo.

                  I have to admit, I worry slightly about people with, shall we say, "below-average" technical skills and safety-awareness tinkering about with compressed hydrogen. It leaks really, really easily, and it ignites even more so, and when burning it has no visible flame. If you manage to make it explode, well....it's loud, and full of energy!

                  I was only joking

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:41 last edited by
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                    They'll learn.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 12:53 last edited by
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