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    Mik
    wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 20:55 last edited by
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    And that's actually the weakest argument.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:01 last edited by
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      It would actually be more legitimate for him to just demand everybody either be vaccinated or tested regardless of the status of employment. And frankly, there are enough breakthrough cases that they should really demand 100% testing, period.

      The Brad

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      • M Mik
        9 Sept 2021, 20:55

        And that's actually the weakest argument.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:01 last edited by
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        @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

        And that's actually the weakest argument.

        Which is?

        The Brad

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        • M Mik
          9 Sept 2021, 20:55

          And that's actually the weakest argument.

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          Copper
          wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:23 last edited by Copper 9 Sept 2021, 21:24
          #10

          @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

          And that's actually the weakest argument.

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            George K
            wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:28 last edited by
            #11

            "The virus doesn't respect borders."

            LOLGF

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:34 last edited by
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              It was the best speech he has given to date.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • M Mik
                9 Sept 2021, 21:34

                It was the best speech he has given to date.

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                George K
                wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:37 last edited by
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                @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                It was the best speech he has given to date.

                Lots of speechifying, little substance as to how he's going to implement this.

                REmember, he's the guy that said, during the campaign, that he wouldn't trust a vaccine developed while Trump was president.

                Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now, Joe?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:39 last edited by
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                  Another thing.

                  (disclaimer, I'm NOT anti-vaccine)

                  By what authority does he mandate employers to implement this policy. This mandate will spend months and months in court.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:13 last edited by
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                    I agree. I'm not even sure he can do it for federal employees and contractors.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:26 last edited by
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                      I agree as a pragmatic matter. Good luck with enforcement.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • M Mik
                        9 Sept 2021, 22:13

                        I agree. I'm not even sure he can do it for federal employees and contractors.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:28 last edited by
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                        @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                        I agree. I'm not even sure he can do it for federal employees and contractors.

                        That has a direct impact on my company. We have service contracts in place with several Military Bands, Walter Reed, NIH, and routinely sell or rent instruments to the government. Everybody that has involvement with those projects (me, the operations manager, technician/tuner, and delivery crew are all vaccinated but none of us like the idea of being forced to be vaccinated and forcing our staff to be vaccinated.

                        The Brad

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:31 last edited by
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                          I don't like it either. I'd like them to be putting out more reliable information about relative risk and the benefit of vaccination. Persuasion above coercion. I'm afraid what he is doing may backfire and simply make the antivaxxers more entrenched in their position.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • M Mik
                            9 Sept 2021, 22:31

                            I don't like it either. I'd like them to be putting out more reliable information about relative risk and the benefit of vaccination. Persuasion above coercion. I'm afraid what he is doing may backfire and simply make the antivaxxers more entrenched in their position.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:32 last edited by
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                            @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                            I'm afraid what he is doing may backfire and simply make the antivaxxers more entrenched in their position.

                            Count on it. Gonna be a yuge huge mess.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:41 last edited by
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                              "Our patience is wearing thin."

                              Uniter, not a divider.

                              Nice.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:43 last edited by LuFins Dad 9 Sept 2021, 22:45
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                                I thought we were supposed to be approaching Herd Immunity according to the CDC? The southern surge is dropping, we can expect a few more Delta surges elsewhere in the country, but the Boosters to the most at risk should mitigate the effects. Is this a solution in search of a problem?

                                The Brad

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:47 last edited by
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                                  President Trump said, regarding immigration: ""If these governors won’t help beat the pandemic illegal border crossings, I’ll use my power as president to get them out of the way."

                                  Oh, wait.

                                  That was 2 hours ago.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • M Mik
                                    9 Sept 2021, 20:32

                                    Details.

                                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/09/09/biden-to-order-vaccine-or-test-mandate-for-businesses-with-over-100-workers/?sh=53238351e817

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                                    Loki
                                    wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:53 last edited by Loki 9 Sept 2021, 22:54
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                                    Provides cover for companies to issue their own mandates.

                                    I don’t really see this as news, the train left the station weeks ago. As more people get vaccinated schools will be able to stay open, less people will die and healthcare institutions will be able to address the needs of their employees and patients much better. Wins all around. If the goal is to eliminate all naysayers in life you will never succeed, you just need our institutions rowing in the same direction.

                                    Mostly this is about stemming the slide in the polls.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:57 last edited by
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                                      Democrats seem to like the president's ideas about vaccines

                                      Republicans don't seem to like them

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 00:06 last edited by
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                                        Imagine if he had been that angry against the Taliban?

                                        The Brad

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                                          10 Sept 2021, 00:06

                                          Imagine if he had been that angry against the Taliban?

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                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 00:46 last edited by
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                                          @lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                                          Imagine if he had been that angry against the Taliban?

                                          He is literally treating American anti-vaxxers with more hostility. He sure as hell isn't calling the latter his "partners."

                                          Please love yourself.

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