Vaccine Rollout
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If you are okay in the future with periodic lockdowns, temporary closing of businesses, less than full capacity at those businesses which are open, remote schooling for the kids, travel restrictions, etc. dont get vaccinated.
If the above bothers you, please get vaccinated.
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Nope, not gonna happen.
Economies simply can't take many more protracted lockdowns, so you're going to have to deal with the virus. Besides, the vaccine does not give you immunity. You can - and many will - catch COVID after being vaccinated.
Remote schooling has been a disaster and kids don't carry the virus that well, anyway.
Would you shut the world's economy down for the common cold virus? The two viruses are related, you know.
I think with vaccination...BTW, if you really want to have some fun, herd Americans up and mandate vaccinations at the end of a bayonet, which is what it would take in the short term...Anyway, with vaccination, I think you can keep the virus down to a manageable level. Unless something radically changes, I don't think we will eradicate it.
For that, we can thank all of our Chinese friends down at the lab who weaponized this and then let it out the door...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@taiwan_girl said in Vaccine Rollout:
If you are okay in the future with periodic lockdowns, temporary closing of businesses, less than full capacity at those businesses which are open, remote schooling for the kids, travel restrictions, etc. dont get vaccinated.
If the above bothers you, please get vaccinated.
Oh, that's coming no matter what. SARS 2002, H5N1 (Bird Flu) 2005, H1N1 2009, MERS 2012, 2014-2016 Ebola... Every couple of years a bug breaks through and causes a major scare. The next time a new virus breaks out (and it will, a virus has to virus, it's what they do), expect to see shutdowns and all the rest... Your COVID Vax is not going to stop that from happening. In November of 2022 somebody will sneeze and have a fever in Estonia, the doctors won't be able to nail down the virus, and off we go...
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Nope, not gonna happen.
Besides, the vaccine does not give you immunity. You can - and many will - catch COVID after being vaccinated.
And THAT is where your vaccine-resistant strain will come from.
The antibiotic-resistant bacteria didn't develop from people not taking antibiotics...
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And this tendency to refer to people as Anti-Vax is inaccurate and hurting your cause. Most people I know aren't 100% either way. Most that are waiting are simply waiting. They want to see how it goes. I know of more than one person planning on going in July, they just wanted to give it 6 months to see if there were any obvious health risks that appeared.
By the way, regarding the switch to PCP's and regular healthcare providers for the vaccine? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2106137
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
And this tendency to refer to people as Anti-Vax is inaccurate and hurting your cause. Most people I know aren't 100% either way. Most that are waiting are simply waiting. They want to see how it goes. I know of more than one person planning on going in July, they just wanted to give it 6 months to see if there were any obvious health risks that appeared.
There are only a couple of groups who won’t take the vaccine so I am not buying the watch and wait. It’s mostly political, sorry , but the data shows it.
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And data is never wrong.
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Told this before...One of the better infernal med docs I knew, bemoaned the fact that residents no longer made housecalls. His assertion was that he learned an awful lot about how to treat patients, just by entering their homes and seeing how they lived.
Doesn't matter if the patient says they don't smoke, when the living room smells like the Marlboro factory...
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US counties with the lowest vaccination rates have one curious thing in common (take a guess):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/us/vaccine-hesitancy-politics.html
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This is because Joe Biden and his criminal friends have denied the vaccine to Trump voters.
The vaccine delivery routes have been gerrymandered to exclude republicans and people who love the United States.
The joke is on the democrats, the vaccine will soon begin to turn them all into Chinese communists. In fact this has already begun.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
US counties with the lowest vaccination rates have one curious thing in common (take a guess):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/us/vaccine-hesitancy-politics.html
- Not surprised in the slightest.
- I don't much care about the political affiliation of dumbshits. If they were Biden supporters they'r still be just as much a problem.
- Population size and density also tracks with this chart. My hometown was very much averse to vaccinations because like many small towns, they followed the unbelievably stupid notion that they were special and somehow isolated from the pandemic. "We thought it was a problem for city people." Seemed true for awhile, too: it took a long time for cases to blow up there.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@mik said in Vaccine Rollout:
To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
Plus he has come out and encouraged people to get vaccine both in office and out.
As @Aqua-Letifer noted, those states and counties are far more rural with far lower access as well.
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I think it is very very obvious that the higher % of people vaccinated, the lower the chance of getting the virus. And, the lower the chance of having a large outbreak.
To think the other way is very very goofy. Sorry.
I think our statistics people here could very quickly explain that if you have a vaccine that is 90% effective and you have a room of 100 vaccinated people, the odds of getting the virus are quite small.
If you have that same room of 100 people and only one person has the vaccine, then the odds of a person getting the virus are much much higher.
I am really really curious as to why people do not want to get the vaccine?
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This pandemic has taught me that there are a lot more bloody stupid people than I previously believed.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
This pandemic has taught me that there are a lot more bloody stupid people than I previously believed.
Same. It's amazing to me just how much nonsense people are willing to believe in order to not have to grow.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@mik said in Vaccine Rollout:
To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
Plus he has come out and encouraged people to get vaccine both in office and out.
Put that in the "too little, too late" category. Trump spent many news cycles making light of the danger and severity of COVID-19 and sewed distrust against institutions. The impact of his rhetorics add up and have long term effects among his followers.
Dig around if you want, maybe you'd find one tweet from mid-December 2020 (that bragged about stock market performance) and one FoxNews interview from min-March 2021 where Trump told people to get vaccinated. But compare to Trump's voluminous public communications, those two instances are insignificant. You don't see Trump do a public service announcement or a standalone statement urging people to get vaccinated -- and this from one who issued a public statement to comment on the last OSCARS' TV ratings.
As deadly and as widespread as COVID-19 is, you should expect a national leader to be a lot more vocal and a lot more disciplined with his/her public communications. The very low bar you set to let Trump squeak through does no one any good.
