Vaccine Rollout
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Told this before...One of the better infernal med docs I knew, bemoaned the fact that residents no longer made housecalls. His assertion was that he learned an awful lot about how to treat patients, just by entering their homes and seeing how they lived.
Doesn't matter if the patient says they don't smoke, when the living room smells like the Marlboro factory...
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This is because Joe Biden and his criminal friends have denied the vaccine to Trump voters.
The vaccine delivery routes have been gerrymandered to exclude republicans and people who love the United States.
The joke is on the democrats, the vaccine will soon begin to turn them all into Chinese communists. In fact this has already begun.
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US counties with the lowest vaccination rates have one curious thing in common (take a guess):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/us/vaccine-hesitancy-politics.html
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
US counties with the lowest vaccination rates have one curious thing in common (take a guess):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/us/vaccine-hesitancy-politics.html
- Not surprised in the slightest.
- I don't much care about the political affiliation of dumbshits. If they were Biden supporters they'r still be just as much a problem.
- Population size and density also tracks with this chart. My hometown was very much averse to vaccinations because like many small towns, they followed the unbelievably stupid notion that they were special and somehow isolated from the pandemic. "We thought it was a problem for city people." Seemed true for awhile, too: it took a long time for cases to blow up there.
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To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
@mik said in Vaccine Rollout:
To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
Plus he has come out and encouraged people to get vaccine both in office and out.
As @Aqua-Letifer noted, those states and counties are far more rural with far lower access as well.
The Brad
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I think it is very very obvious that the higher % of people vaccinated, the lower the chance of getting the virus. And, the lower the chance of having a large outbreak.
To think the other way is very very goofy. Sorry.
I think our statistics people here could very quickly explain that if you have a vaccine that is 90% effective and you have a room of 100 vaccinated people, the odds of getting the virus are quite small.
If you have that same room of 100 people and only one person has the vaccine, then the odds of a person getting the virus are much much higher.
I am really really curious as to why people do not want to get the vaccine?
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This pandemic has taught me that there are a lot more bloody stupid people than I previously believed.
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This pandemic has taught me that there are a lot more bloody stupid people than I previously believed.
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccine Rollout:
This pandemic has taught me that there are a lot more bloody stupid people than I previously believed.
Same. It's amazing to me just how much nonsense people are willing to believe in order to not have to grow.
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@mik said in Vaccine Rollout:
To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
Plus he has come out and encouraged people to get vaccine both in office and out.
As @Aqua-Letifer noted, those states and counties are far more rural with far lower access as well.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@mik said in Vaccine Rollout:
To try to Tag trump with this is ridiculous. he moved mountains so the vaccines could be developed and manufactured.
Plus he has come out and encouraged people to get vaccine both in office and out.
Put that in the "too little, too late" category. Trump spent many news cycles making light of the danger and severity of COVID-19 and sewed distrust against institutions. The impact of his rhetorics add up and have long term effects among his followers.
Dig around if you want, maybe you'd find one tweet from mid-December 2020 (that bragged about stock market performance) and one FoxNews interview from min-March 2021 where Trump told people to get vaccinated. But compare to Trump's voluminous public communications, those two instances are insignificant. You don't see Trump do a public service announcement or a standalone statement urging people to get vaccinated -- and this from one who issued a public statement to comment on the last OSCARS' TV ratings.
As deadly and as widespread as COVID-19 is, you should expect a national leader to be a lot more vocal and a lot more disciplined with his/her public communications. The very low bar you set to let Trump squeak through does no one any good.
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You know, I'd say you're as dumb as a bag of hammers, but it would be an insult to a bag of hammers.
At this point, what Trump said a year ago - and note, Trump has always touted a vaccine - doesn't have a lot of effect on people's decision to vaccinate or not.
Let me point out that a lot of rural America, for very good reason, does not trust the national media at all. They look at the VAERS numbers, they know people their age who have had COVID or they live in areas that are rural enough that COVID is pretty scarce.
So, this thirty-something oil field hand or construction worker is weighing his chances...If I get COVID, what are my chances of recovery? What are the ill effects of the shot? What is this I'm hearing about catching COVID after the shot? Did y'all hear we have to have a booster every year with this shot?
So, your Madison Avenue ad campaign ain't gonna do buttkiss at this point. LuFin's Dad is absolutely correct...You want to vaccinate people in the hinterlands? You put that vaccine in local clinics and doctor's offices. Let people they trust talk to them about vaccination. You just might get more of them to get the shot.
But one thing I do know...If you want to beat them over the head with how ignorant they are and how you are going to make them get vaccinated...Well, as Scooby would say, "Rotsa ruck!".
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
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Vaccination rates by congressional districts:
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You know, I'd say you're as dumb as a bag of hammers, but it would be an insult to a bag of hammers.
At this point, what Trump said a year ago - and note, Trump has always touted a vaccine - doesn't have a lot of effect on people's decision to vaccinate or not.
Let me point out that a lot of rural America, for very good reason, does not trust the national media at all. They look at the VAERS numbers, they know people their age who have had COVID or they live in areas that are rural enough that COVID is pretty scarce.
So, this thirty-something oil field hand or construction worker is weighing his chances...If I get COVID, what are my chances of recovery? What are the ill effects of the shot? What is this I'm hearing about catching COVID after the shot? Did y'all hear we have to have a booster every year with this shot?
So, your Madison Avenue ad campaign ain't gonna do buttkiss at this point. LuFin's Dad is absolutely correct...You want to vaccinate people in the hinterlands? You put that vaccine in local clinics and doctor's offices. Let people they trust talk to them about vaccination. You just might get more of them to get the shot.
But one thing I do know...If you want to beat them over the head with how ignorant they are and how you are going to make them get vaccinated...Well, as Scooby would say, "Rotsa ruck!".
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
You know, I'd say you're as dumb as a bag of hammers, but it would be an insult to a bag of hammers.
At this point, what Trump said a year ago - and note, Trump has always touted a vaccine - doesn't have a lot of effect on people's decision to vaccinate or not.
Let me point out that a lot of rural America, for very good reason, does not trust the national media at all. They look at the VAERS numbers, they know people their age who have had COVID or they live in areas that are rural enough that COVID is pretty scarce.
So, this thirty-something oil field hand or construction worker is weighing his chances...If I get COVID, what are my chances of recovery? What are the ill effects of the shot? What is this I'm hearing about catching COVID after the shot? Did y'all hear we have to have a booster every year with this shot?
So, your Madison Avenue ad campaign ain't gonna do buttkiss at this point. LuFin's Dad is absolutely correct...You want to vaccinate people in the hinterlands? You put that vaccine in local clinics and doctor's offices. Let people they trust talk to them about vaccination. You just might get more of them to get the shot.
But one thing I do know...If you want to beat them over the head with how ignorant they are and how you are going to make them get vaccinated...Well, as Scooby would say, "Rotsa ruck!".
Speaking of...I heard a guy from AAFP last week on the radio speaking on behalf of family practice guys...They were incensed that they could give a flu shot, a pneumonia shot or various other vaccinations, but the government wouldn't let them give a COVID shot.
LuFin's Dad is right...You want to vaccinate more people, let their family docs do it...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Despite White House chest-thumping and media praise for his plan to have enough vaccinations for all Americans by the end of last month, President Joe Biden’s goal was just a day better than former President Donald Trump’s plan and has followed the former administration’s script nearly exactly.
That plan, which cut vaccination development and distribution from the normal 10 years to just 10 months, was a “great American success story of grit and innovation,” according to a new analysis of “Operation Warp Speed,” Trump’s gamble to shake up the process.
In a new insider analysis, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, a former coronavirus task force member and national security adviser to task force chief former Vice President Mike Pence, said the Trump team cast aside doubts and missed opportunities by previous administrations to work with drug companies and distributors to speed COVID-19 vaccines.
Trump, Kellogg told Secrets, "knew he had a serious issue going on, but he didn't want to project panic or concern. You want to project confidence going forward, and he did that."
The analysis, provided to Secrets today, said Operation Warp Speed helped to save $2.4 trillion from the costs of typical vaccine development and got shots into arms by Jan. 11, just one year after the World Health Organization identified the disease originated in China.
“OWS shattered the status quo. Its impact can only be fully understood when viewed in the context of where the country and the medical community were in terms of vaccine development and pandemic planning when COVID-19 struck,” said the report, produced by the pro-Trump America First Policy Institute and co-written by Kellogg, who heads the institute’s Center for American Security.
The 25-page report does not directly criticize previous administrations and their lack of preparation for a worldwide pandemic, nor mention critics of Trump’s vaccine plan, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
You know, I'd say you're as dumb as a bag of hammers, but it would be an insult to a bag of hammers.
At this point, what Trump said a year ago - and note, Trump has always touted a vaccine - doesn't have a lot of effect on people's decision to vaccinate or not.
Let me point out that a lot of rural America, for very good reason, does not trust the national media at all. They look at the VAERS numbers, they know people their age who have had COVID or they live in areas that are rural enough that COVID is pretty scarce.
So, this thirty-something oil field hand or construction worker is weighing his chances...If I get COVID, what are my chances of recovery? What are the ill effects of the shot? What is this I'm hearing about catching COVID after the shot? Did y'all hear we have to have a booster every year with this shot?
So, your Madison Avenue ad campaign ain't gonna do buttkiss at this point. LuFin's Dad is absolutely correct...You want to vaccinate people in the hinterlands? You put that vaccine in local clinics and doctor's offices. Let people they trust talk to them about vaccination. You just might get more of them to get the shot.
But one thing I do know...If you want to beat them over the head with how ignorant they are and how you are going to make them get vaccinated...Well, as Scooby would say, "Rotsa ruck!".
Speaking of...I heard a guy from AAFP last week on the radio speaking on behalf of family practice guys...They were incensed that they could give a flu shot, a pneumonia shot or various other vaccinations, but the government wouldn't let them give a COVID shot.
LuFin's Dad is right...You want to vaccinate more people, let their family docs do it...
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
You know, I'd say you're as dumb as a bag of hammers, but it would be an insult to a bag of hammers.
At this point, what Trump said a year ago - and note, Trump has always touted a vaccine - doesn't have a lot of effect on people's decision to vaccinate or not.
Let me point out that a lot of rural America, for very good reason, does not trust the national media at all. They look at the VAERS numbers, they know people their age who have had COVID or they live in areas that are rural enough that COVID is pretty scarce.
So, this thirty-something oil field hand or construction worker is weighing his chances...If I get COVID, what are my chances of recovery? What are the ill effects of the shot? What is this I'm hearing about catching COVID after the shot? Did y'all hear we have to have a booster every year with this shot?
So, your Madison Avenue ad campaign ain't gonna do buttkiss at this point. LuFin's Dad is absolutely correct...You want to vaccinate people in the hinterlands? You put that vaccine in local clinics and doctor's offices. Let people they trust talk to them about vaccination. You just might get more of them to get the shot.
But one thing I do know...If you want to beat them over the head with how ignorant they are and how you are going to make them get vaccinated...Well, as Scooby would say, "Rotsa ruck!".
Speaking of...I heard a guy from AAFP last week on the radio speaking on behalf of family practice guys...They were incensed that they could give a flu shot, a pneumonia shot or various other vaccinations, but the government wouldn't let them give a COVID shot.
LuFin's Dad is right...You want to vaccinate more people, let their family docs do it...
Where I went.
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Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
The Brad
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Various states and counties are reporting that among new cases of COVID-19, over 97% are from the unvaccinated.
“[Washington state] reported this past week that unvaccinated people between ages 45 and 64 are now being hospitalized for COVID at rates 21 times higher than the vaccinated.”
So around 3% of reported cases are breakthrough cases. Is that statistically significant? I have to imagine that would be since we can guess that there are more cases that are not being reported since vaccinated individuals are being tested less and will probably be more likely to pass symptoms off as cold or allergies. Still, even if it's only 3% and the number holds nationally, that's 22000 breakthrough cases in the last month alone. Not 10,000 cases since January like the CDC tried to pass of last week...
Beyond that, if new cases are 30 times higher for non-vaccinated, one would expect hospitalizations to be 30 times higher for non-vaccinated. The 21% number would tend to indicate that the confirmed breakthrough cases are more likely to be serious cases, which would make sense since they are more likely to be symptomatic, otherwise why be tested?
Am I alone in thinking there are probably a fair number of untested and unreported breakthrough cases?
I don’t know where you get your number but 0.3% is likely the right number.
People are in fact dying needlessly now in the US because they refuse vaccination. They listened to the wrong people, it’s is truly a shame.
