By the mile

[LuFins Dad]

@mik Line item in the budget. You either make cuts in unnecessary programs or you raise revenue. Putting it under a consumption tax is no good, whether that consumption is measured by the mile or by the gallon. Everybody is the beneficiary of the road systems, yet you have the lower incomes bear the brunt of that cost? Ridiculous. We don’t raise education dollars by levying higher taxes on those with school aged children...

[taiwan_girl]

@mik said in By the mile:

But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

Maybe you add a fee when you renew your license registration or license plate for your car/truck etc. I think most places in the US require a re-license plate every year.

Charge $X USD each time you do that. Maybe based on the value of the car?

[89th]

The whole thing is so improbable and impractical for a million reasons.

[Jolly]

@mik said in By the mile:

But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

What does “long haul” mean in this context?

Interstate commerce goods.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

[Jolly]

Secondly, I once put you on ignore for over a year.

It may be time to do so again.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

I show you the holes in your so-called solutions.

[Renauda]

@mik said in By the mile:

But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.