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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #45

    Yeah but you passed your Vietnam total on March 9th.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • HoraceH Horace

      I listened to a presentation recently from an academic/scientist who wants everybody to take the virus way more seriously. He used the comparison with war deaths first as an appeal to our humanity, and then took it further to try to appeal to the "but the economy!" folk by assuming that the economic damage of war deaths is the same as the economic damage of virus deaths, on a death for death basis, and projecting economic numbers based on that. This was a very smart guy and I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

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      #46

      @Horace said in US has a shitload of cases:

      I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

      I absolutely refuse to acknowledge the difference. Chalk it up to my nonexistent woke-liberal mentality if you want, I don't give a shit. I categorically deny that a 20-year-old dying is more tragic than a 60-year-old dying. I personally find either scenario equally tragic in very different ways. Believe what you want, but no I do not have to agree with you, and no I do not care what conclusions you draw from me siding with the Guy You Think You Know Better Than.

      Please love yourself.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @Horace said in US has a shitload of cases:

        I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

        I absolutely refuse to acknowledge the difference. Chalk it up to my nonexistent woke-liberal mentality if you want, I don't give a shit. I categorically deny that a 20-year-old dying is more tragic than a 60-year-old dying. I personally find either scenario equally tragic in very different ways. Believe what you want, but no I do not have to agree with you, and no I do not care what conclusions you draw from me siding with the Guy You Think You Know Better Than.

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        Copper
        wrote on last edited by
        #47

        @Aqua-Letifer said in US has a shitload of cases:

        @Horace said in US has a shitload of cases:

        I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

        I absolutely refuse to acknowledge the difference. Chalk it up to my nonexistent woke-liberal mentality if you want, I don't give a shit. I categorically deny that a 20-year-old dying is more tragic than a 60-year-old dying. I personally find either scenario equally tragic in very different ways. Believe what you want, but no I do not have to agree with you, and no I do not care what conclusions you draw from me siding with the Guy You Think You Know Better Than.

        So finally you agree that this is a game of a death is a death.

        And until covid-19 (probably) passed the 2019 flu last week the winner was 2019 flu.

        More deaths is worse.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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          Doctor Phibes
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          #48

          Lots and lots of civilians, including older people, die in wars. Not Americans, maybe, since you haven't had a major war on your mainland since the civil war, but a shit ton of other folk have. Typically, half the deaths are civilian.

          On the other hand, I think comparing Covid-19 to WW2 or Vietnam is ridiculous. Three million non-Americans died in Vietnam.

          I was only joking

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          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @Horace said in US has a shitload of cases:

            I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

            I absolutely refuse to acknowledge the difference. Chalk it up to my nonexistent woke-liberal mentality if you want, I don't give a shit. I categorically deny that a 20-year-old dying is more tragic than a 60-year-old dying. I personally find either scenario equally tragic in very different ways. Believe what you want, but no I do not have to agree with you, and no I do not care what conclusions you draw from me siding with the Guy You Think You Know Better Than.

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #49

            @Aqua-Letifer said in US has a shitload of cases:

            @Horace said in US has a shitload of cases:

            I think there is zero chance he doesn't know the difference, economically or otherwise, between a soldier getting cut down in his 20s and an older person with co-morbidities dying of a virus. But he never mentioned that difference.

            I absolutely refuse to acknowledge the difference. Chalk it up to my nonexistent woke-liberal mentality if you want, I don't give a shit. I categorically deny that a 20-year-old dying is more tragic than a 60-year-old dying. I personally find either scenario equally tragic in very different ways. Believe what you want, but no I do not have to agree with you, and no I do not care what conclusions you draw from me siding with the Guy You Think You Know Better Than.

            I don't think I know better than him. He is clearly way beyond me when it comes to pretty much everything. I only noticed that he, like most people who are motivated to engage in public discussions about covid, isn't going to spend his time doing so with perfect intellectual honesty. If he's motivated enough to engage in the discussion then he's motivated enough to cut some corners so his message is more persuasive. After all, I'm sure he believes he'll save lives. Who wouldn't cut some corners for that?

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Yes we did.

              @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

              632,878 4.7% daily increase. Deaths 27,850 9.5% daily increase.
              658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
              692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
              726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
              755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
              820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
              846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
              890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
              963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.

              1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%

              jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #50

              @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

              632,878 4.7% daily increase. Deaths 27,850 9.5% daily increase.
              658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
              692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
              726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
              755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
              820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
              846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
              890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
              963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
              1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%

              1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                632,878 4.7% daily increase. Deaths 27,850 9.5% daily increase.
                658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
                692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%

                1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%

                jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #51

                @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
                692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%

                1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #52

                  Let's just call it roughly 2,400 a day. I think that's worth considering.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    89th
                    wrote on last edited by 89th
                    #53

                    Basically a 9/11 death toll per day. 😞

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                      658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
                      692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                      726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                      755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                      820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                      846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                      890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                      963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                      1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                      1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%

                      1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #54

                      @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                      658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
                      692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                      726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                      755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                      820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                      846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                      890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                      963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                      1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                      1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                      1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%

                      1,098,565, up up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                        658,263 4% increase. Deaths 32,186 up 15.6%
                        692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                        726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                        755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                        820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                        846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                        890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                        963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                        1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                        1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                        1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%

                        1,098,565, up up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.

                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #55

                        @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                        692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                        726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                        755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                        820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                        846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                        890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                        963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                        1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                        1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                        1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%
                        1,098,565, up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.

                        1,154,621, up 2.5%. Deaths 67,451 up 2.2%.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                          692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                          726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                          755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                          820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                          846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                          890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                          963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                          1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                          1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                          1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%
                          1,098,565, up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.

                          1,154,621, up 2.5%. Deaths 67,451 up 2.2%.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #56

                          @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                          692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                          726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                          755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                          820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                          846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                          890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                          963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                          1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                          1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                          1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%
                          1,098,565, up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.
                          1,154,621, up 2.5%. Deaths 67,451 up 2.2%.

                          1,177,784 up 2.0%. Deaths 68,442 up 1.5%.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                            692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                            726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                            755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                            820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                            846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                            890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                            963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                            1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                            1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                            1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%
                            1,098,565, up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.
                            1,154,621, up 2.5%. Deaths 67,451 up 2.2%.

                            1,177,784 up 2.0%. Deaths 68,442 up 1.5%.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #57

                            @jon-nyc said in US has a shitload of cases:

                            692,169 5.2% increase. Deaths 32,232 up 0.14% increase.
                            726,645 5% increase. Deaths 37,938 up 17.7%
                            755,533 4% increase. Deaths 40,461 up 6.7%
                            820,104. 4.2% increase. Deaths 44,228 up 4.6%
                            846,982 3.3% increase. Deaths 46,560 up 5.3%
                            890,524, 2.5% increase. Deaths 51,017 up up 4.7%.
                            963,168 4% increase. Deaths 54,530 up 3.4%.
                            1,010,717. 2.4% increase. Deaths 58,365 up 3.5%
                            1,036,652 2.6% increase. Deaths 60,475 up 3.6%
                            1,067,061 2.9% increase. Deaths 62,870 up 4.0%
                            1,098,565, up 3.0%. Deaths 64,577 up 2.7%.
                            1,154,621, up 2.5%. Deaths 67,451 up 2.2%.
                            1,177,784 up 2.0%. Deaths 68,442 up 1.5%.

                            1,201,337 up 2.0%. Deaths 70,847 up 3.5%

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • 89th8 Offline
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                              89th
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #58

                              Again, we’re basically seeing a 9/11 death toll per day... from something that was somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely) than it ended up being. 😞

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                Again, we’re basically seeing a 9/11 death toll per day... from something that was somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely) than it ended up being. 😞

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #59

                                @89th said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely)

                                "Preventatble"

                                By whom?

                                When?

                                How?

                                Just curious on your thoughts.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @89th said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                  somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely)

                                  "Preventatble"

                                  By whom?

                                  When?

                                  How?

                                  Just curious on your thoughts.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #60

                                  @George-K said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                  "Preventatble"

                                  By whom?

                                  When?

                                  How?

                                  Just curious on your thoughts.

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                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @89th said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                    somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely)

                                    "Preventatble"

                                    By whom?

                                    When?

                                    How?

                                    Just curious on your thoughts.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #61

                                    @George-K said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                    Just curious on your thoughts.

                                    If the measures we saw put in place between mid March to mid April were put in place 2+ weeks earlier (when many here even in TNCR saw it coming) imagine the impact it would’ve had on an exponential curve.

                                    It’s like you’re trapped in a car that is starting to speed up. Jumping out after 2 seconds hurts a whole heck of a lot less than at 4 seconds.

                                    It will never be provable, but I’d wager every day delayed will have ended up costing 5,000 lives each.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      Again, we’re basically seeing a 9/11 death toll per day... from something that was somewhat more preventable (albeit not entirely) than it ended up being. 😞

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                                      #62

                                      @89th Yeah but those deaths happen only to old people I don't know personally, so what does it matter? Because it's no one I know, and it never will because I'm special, it means as much to me as [insert arbitrary tragedy that doesn't have exponential growth here].

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @89th Yeah but those deaths happen only to old people I don't know personally, so what does it matter? Because it's no one I know, and it never will because I'm special, it means as much to me as [insert arbitrary tragedy that doesn't have exponential growth here].

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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #63

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in US has a shitload of cases:

                                        @89th Yeah but those deaths happen only to old people I don't know personally, so what does it matter? Because it's no one I know, and it never will because I'm special, it means as much to me as [insert arbitrary tragedy that doesn't have exponential growth here].

                                        That's about right.

                                        Give us the signal if you ever need to show some virtue.

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                                          #64

                                          Flu?

                                          Please love yourself.

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