Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me

[Renauda]

@jolly said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@renauda said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

In what way? Partying in the streets or prepping a lynching?

Think rope.

That was my first thought.

[xenon]

@mik said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Then the rep is obligated to communicate that to his constituents. Not just take the high handed “I know what is good for them.”.

I agree he should communicate it clearly to his constituents. But, I’m guessing there’s something to his vote. He didn’t just become a patron of kabuki arts.

[Axtremus]

Then you get some issues like 83% of American support "universal background check" as a gun control measure, yet the elected representatives don't vote that way.

The notion of "constituent" is also tricky.

The 'party system' also gets in the way. Should a Senator represent the will of the entire state pollution, or just the ones who voted for him, or even just the ones who voted for him in the primaries? Who, exactly, are the Senator's "constituents"?

Ideally a Senator should reflect the will of the entire state's population, but practically if he wants to be reelected he cannot lose in the primaries, which means s/he has to cater to the will of his party.

To make this concrete, if 55% of a state's general population thinks Trump should be convicted, but a Senator from that state happens to be a Republican and 65% of the Republicans in that state thinks Trump should not be convicted, then the Senator in practice would have to first cater to the 65% of the Republicans so s/he can win the next primary election before catering to the 55% of the state's general population who thinks Trump should be convicted.

[xenon]

I think once a representative is elected there are two mechanisms to f accountability: 1) re-election 2) personal integrity and character

That’s really it.

[Axtremus]

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

[Aqua Letifer]

@axtremus said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

TDS

[Loki]

@aqua-letifer said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@axtremus said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

TDS

It’s over. Can’t we keep it that way? Since the loss Ax seems to want to keep sending notes that somehow prove the dems won.
When you lose you lose, right? He’s pulling a Donald.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

MSM deluge.

[Copper]

@loki said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@aqua-letifer said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@axtremus said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

TDS

It’s over. Can’t we keep it that way? Since the loss Ax seems to want to keep sending notes that somehow prove the dems won.
When you lose you lose, right? He’s pulling a Donald.

Worst losers ever
Worst winners ever

[LuFins Dad]

50%of those polled would have said Trump should be prohibited from ever holding public office if asked on January 5th.....2017.

Let’s not pretend that there has been some massive shift in opinion.

[LuFins Dad]

Oh, and Trump was somewhat responsible for the attack, but so was a lot of those that voted for or against impeachment. He bears some more individual responsibility but less than they do in aggregate.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@axtremus said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Poll: Most Americans think Trump at least partially responsible for Capitol attack
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/poll-most-americans-think-trump-at-least-partially-responsible-for-capitol-attack-idUSKBN2AD0LH

“(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.

But the national online poll, released on Saturday, also showed that a smaller proportion -- only about half of the country -- thinks Trump should be convicted of inciting insurrection at his Senate impeachment trial or barred from holding public office again.”

MSM deluge.

Well I was close.

[Renauda]

@lufins-dad said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Oh, and Trump was somewhat responsible for the attack...

Attack, what attack? We have it on impeccable authority that it was just a few doofuses taking selfies.

Move along, nothing to see.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

@lufins-dad said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Oh, and Trump was somewhat responsible for the attack...

Attack, what attack? We have it on impeccable authority that it was just a few doofuses taking selfies.

Move along, nothing to see.

What words would you use to describe what happened?

[Renauda]

A few come to mind. Given the make up of the mob, I'll settle for Putsch. I may be wrong but I also may be right. I really don't care.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Putsch

"a violent attempt to overthrow a government"

You previously disavowed insurrection and coup. I sense some cognitive dissonance.

[Renauda]

Like I already stated, I really don't care.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Trump Senate defense: the American people already rejected me:

Like I already said, I really don't care.

You care enough to make fun of the "a few doofuses taking selfies" characterization. At least a couple times that I've seen.

[Horace]

From an historical perspective, can you compare this putsch with other historical putsch attempts? Is there an historical analogue to establish that this was a "putsch"?

jon, you're up here too. You're an amazing historian.

[Renauda]

@horace

If what happened on 6 January can be falsely reduced to a few doofuses taking selfies it can just as easily and, inaccurately, be inflated into a putsch.

Besides, it's fun to mock doofuses.