Resignations
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@george-k I get you. I really do. And I'm only arguing with you out of habit - I agree that you shouldn't make fun of people that you don't know. period.
But I do think there are gradations of physical appearance-based nicknames.
Fatso is generally bad - unless someone were to be really comfortable with it (there's an overweight rapper who calls himself "Fat Joe")
Orange man is offensive because presumably Trump wants to look different than his natural skin hue. That's not something he'd appreciate or has publicly acknowledged.
I think McConnell is brilliant (even if in a machiavellian way) - so I'm not trying to insult him out of hate.
But now that you've roused the contrarian in me. I did find a video of an interviewer asking him if he is offended by John Stewart calling him Turtle (I think he popularized it). And his response was "I love it".
Now afterward he made it clear that it doesn't matter to him, because the opinion of people that do matter to him (his constituents and colleagues) is what he cares about. So, if you read the subtext, I'm sure he doesn't actually "love it". But as I said - in the pantheon of insults, it's pretty minor.
But - point taken. You shouldn't make fun of people you don't know.
Also. Re:Trump's disabled thing. It's pretty inconclusive if he was actually making fun of him for being disabled. He's done that motion many times. I wouldn't put it past him, but it's not evidence of him making fun of a disabled person.
@xenon said in Resignations:
@george-k I get you. I really do. And I'm only arguing with you out of habit - I agree that you shouldn't make fun of people that you don't know. period.
But I do think there are gradations of physical appearance-based nicknames.
Fatso is generally bad - unless someone were to be really comfortable with it (there's an overweight rapper who calls himself "Fat Joe")
Orange man is offensive because presumably Trump wants to look different than his natural skin hue. That's not something he'd appreciate or has publicly acknowledged.
I think McConnell is brilliant (even if in a machiavellian way) - so I'm not trying to insult him out of hate.
But now that you've roused the contrarian in me. I did find a video of an interviewer asking him if he is offended by John Stewart calling him Turtle (I think he popularized it). And his response was "I love it".
Now afterward he made it clear that it doesn't matter to him, because the opinion of people that do matter to him (his constituents and colleagues) is what he cares about. So, if you read the subtext, I'm sure he doesn't actually "love it". But as I said - in the pantheon of insults, it's pretty minor.
But - point taken. You shouldn't make fun of people you don't know.
Also. Re:Trump's disabled thing. It's pretty inconclusive if he was actually making fun of him for being disabled. He's done that motion many times. I wouldn't put it past him, but it's not evidence of him making fun of a disabled person.
You'd argue with a fencepost, wouldn't you?
BTW, that's not a complement...
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@xenon said in Resignations:
@george-k said in Resignations:
@xenon said in Resignations:
Turtle's wife
Nice.
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
I find the approbation "turtle" insulting to McConnell and demeaning to the person who says it, yeah, including The Bee. It's reprehensible.
That said, I've made many "Orange Man" posts - all of them were to illustrate the pettiness of the appellation. If you can't say something substantive, insult the appearance. It's a a petty, childish thing to do.
Prediction: You're about to throw in President Trump's comment about the disabled reporter, amirite?
- Look at the video I posted about his history regarding that, and get back to me.
- As I've said many times before, President Trump is a horrible person. I would not want to associate with him in any way. But I don't vote on "friendly" or "nice." I vote on policy.
@george-k said in Resignations:
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
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Interesting
On Thursday, Mr. Pence did not go to the White House complex, instead working out of the vice-presidential residence, according to administration officials.
He was not the only one feeling betrayed by the president. In the White House, aides were exasperated and despondent, convinced that Mr. Trump had effectively nullified four years of work and ensured that his presidency would be defined in history by the image of him sending a mob to the Capitol in an assault on democracy.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@george-k said in Resignations:
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in Resignations:
@george-k said in Resignations:
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
+1
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@xenon said in Resignations:
@george-k said in Resignations:
@xenon said in Resignations:
Turtle's wife
Nice.
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
I find the approbation "turtle" insulting to McConnell and demeaning to the person who says it, yeah, including The Bee. It's reprehensible.
That said, I've made many "Orange Man" posts - all of them were to illustrate the pettiness of the appellation. If you can't say something substantive, insult the appearance. It's a a petty, childish thing to do.
Prediction: You're about to throw in President Trump's comment about the disabled reporter, amirite?
- Look at the video I posted about his history regarding that, and get back to me.
- As I've said many times before, President Trump is a horrible person. I would not want to associate with him in any way. But I don't vote on "friendly" or "nice." I vote on policy.
@george-k said in Resignations:
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
Obviously, this is hard to disagree with, however one could argue that where an individual has become famous for making disparaging remarks about how others look, then he or she becomes fair game when their own appearance is rated at less than a full 10.
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@george-k said in Resignations:
I've always objected to name-calling based on peoples' appearance, etc.
Obviously, this is hard to disagree with, however one could argue that where an individual has become famous for making disparaging remarks about how others look, then he or she becomes fair game when their own appearance is rated at less than a full 10.
@doctor-phibes said in Resignations:
where an individual has become famous for making disparaging remarks about how others look, then he or she becomes fair game
Agreed.
To my knowledge, McConnell has made no such remark.
Orange ManPresident Trump, however... -
@doctor-phibes said in Resignations:
where an individual has become famous for making disparaging remarks about how others look, then he or she becomes fair game
Agreed.
To my knowledge, McConnell has made no such remark.
Orange ManPresident Trump, however...@george-k said in Resignations:
@doctor-phibes said in Resignations:
where an individual has become famous for making disparaging remarks about how others look, then he or she becomes fair game
Agreed.
To my knowledge, McConnell has made no such remark.
Orange ManPresident Trump, however...That's my point. Trump has it coming. Also, he chooses to look like that. He dyes his hair and spray paints his face.
I don't think making fun of McConnell's looks is fair, any more than laughing at Hillary Clinton's, something which was done to excess. I'd argue that women get lambasted (and in some cases praised) for their looks a lot more than men, but that's a whole other topic.
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Interesting
On Thursday, Mr. Pence did not go to the White House complex, instead working out of the vice-presidential residence, according to administration officials.
He was not the only one feeling betrayed by the president. In the White House, aides were exasperated and despondent, convinced that Mr. Trump had effectively nullified four years of work and ensured that his presidency would be defined in history by the image of him sending a mob to the Capitol in an assault on democracy.
@jon-nyc said in Resignations:
Interesting
On Thursday, Mr. Pence did not go to the White House complex, instead working out of the vice-presidential residence, according to administration officials.
He was not the only one feeling betrayed by the president. In the White House, aides were exasperated and despondent, convinced that Mr. Trump had effectively nullified four years of work and ensured that his presidency would be defined in history by the image of him sending a mob to the Capitol in an assault on democracy.
That will be the legacy. It's a shame.
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@george-k said in Resignations:
[Alex Azar]
That seems more likely to be because of the great disappearance of the second doses.
@jon-nyc said in Resignations:
@george-k said in Resignations:
[Alex Azar]
That seems more likely to be because of the great disappearance of the second doses.
Great point. Presumably Pfizer and Moderna know exactly how much vaccine they shipped to the US. How no one identified and pointed out the discrepancy is another thing the public should understand. To be clear I am not pinning this on the manufacturers.
It’s just nuts to hide it as the truth was bound to get out fast. But nuts seem to be what’s on the menu these days.
I guess total incompetence is another plausible explanation.
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Hanlon's razor,
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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@jon-nyc said in Resignations:
@george-k said in Resignations:
[Alex Azar]
That seems more likely to be because of the great disappearance of the second doses.
Great point. Presumably Pfizer and Moderna know exactly how much vaccine they shipped to the US. How no one identified and pointed out the discrepancy is another thing the public should understand. To be clear I am not pinning this on the manufacturers.
It’s just nuts to hide it as the truth was bound to get out fast. But nuts seem to be what’s on the menu these days.
I guess total incompetence is another plausible explanation.
@loki said in Resignations:
I guess total incompetence is another plausible explanation.
Seems like the most charitable explanation. The HHS spokes put out a statement yesterday trying to paper over the problem saying ‘it was always the plan’ to not store the second dose but it’s clear from Azar’s comment the day before that he certainly thought there were doses in reserve.
Besides, you don’t resign because of the actions of your boss and then make the resignation effective the day your boss leaves.
