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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

    Your choice.
    Enjoy your day

    No, you don't get to pull that holier-than-thou shit after posting one of your off-world responses to something somebody said. I went back and reviewed the thread, and Phibes said nothing like what you accused him of.

    And what you meant to say is "defies belief", not begs belief. At least get your distortions right.

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    Jolly
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    @Catseye3 said in Trump himself consents to transition:

    @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

    Your choice.
    Enjoy your day

    No, you don't get to pull that holier-than-thou shit after posting one of your off-world responses to something somebody said. I went back and reviewed the thread, and Phibes said nothing like what you accused him of.

    And what you meant to say is "defies belief", not begs belief. At least get your distortions right.

    Put the crack pipe down and back away from the keyboard, before you launch yourself into another miasma.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

      Your choice.
      Enjoy your day

      No, you don't get to pull that holier-than-thou shit after posting one of your off-world responses to something somebody said. I went back and reviewed the thread, and Phibes said nothing like what you accused him of.

      And what you meant to say is "defies belief", not begs belief. At least get your distortions right.

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      Horace
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      @Catseye3 said in Trump himself consents to transition:

      @Jolly said in Trump himself consents to transition:

      Your choice.
      Enjoy your day

      No, you don't get to pull that holier-than-thou shit after posting one of your off-world responses to something somebody said. I went back and reviewed the thread, and Phibes said nothing like what you accused him of.

      Somewhere in the thought soup was my whataboutism with the hatred of Trump vs the hatred of the riots. It's a valid whataboutism, and one that those who identify as on the left continue to be reluctant, or incapable, to own.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Horace
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        #62

        Not the only one, of course. I mean they watched the NYT essay, and subsequent book, from the adults in the white house, actively subverting Trump, and said nothing. These are not principled or courageous people, these are primates who can't see past the overwhelming desire to personally win.

        Education is extremely important.

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          taiwan_girl
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          #63

          Let us be honest, there is TDS from lots of people here.

          TDS from the left - Trump Derangment Syndrom

          TDS from the right - Trump Deification Syndrom

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            Larry
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            I can't find one single instance of "deification".

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            • LarryL Larry

              I can't find one single instance of "deification".

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              @taiwan_girl said in Trump himself consents to transition:

              Let us be honest, there is TDS from lots of people here.

              TDS from the left - Trump Derangment Syndrom

              TDS from the right - Trump Deification Syndrom

              We all need to look in the mirror daily.

              Doctor Phibes
              Doctor Phibes about 11 hours ago

              If all we ever do is point the finger about how the other side are worse or as bad, how is anything ever going to get better?

              Exactly.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                This was my concern expressed 5.5 months ago.

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                What saved us is the answer to my last question was 'yes'. Other institutions saved us from Trumps attempt to subvert our democracy. Specifically, state courts and the conscience of Michigan's GOP leaders. In absence of the latter it's highly likely that Michigan's state courts would have protected us. This time.

                But yes, I agree with your point, @Horace. We need to make sure some other Trump-like figure couldn't do this again.

                Right, it's just a Trump-like figure. Not the electors that tried to steal the election from him in 2016.

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                Horace
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                @horace said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                This was my concern expressed 5.5 months ago.

                Screen Shot 2020-11-24 at 1.32.15 PM.png

                What saved us is the answer to my last question was 'yes'. Other institutions saved us from Trumps attempt to subvert our democracy. Specifically, state courts and the conscience of Michigan's GOP leaders. In absence of the latter it's highly likely that Michigan's state courts would have protected us. This time.

                But yes, I agree with your point, @Horace. We need to make sure some other Trump-like figure couldn't do this again.

                Right, it's just a Trump-like figure. Not the electors that tried to steal the election from him in 2016.

                Wherein I remind jon of the electors with TDS in 2016 trying to build a cross-aisle coalition of faithlessness in a last ditch effort to subvert the will of the people and keep Trump from the White House. See above for the rest of the conversation. Then google for the true motivations of the Democrat electors who pulled the stunt. The worms admitted it on NPR. Probably bragged about it, thinking it would come off as righteous.

                Number of fucks given by the left at this enormous destruction of political norms: zero.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #67

                  The point of contention isn’t whether you’ve ever mentioned it. This is your claim from yesterday:

                  Even jon pretended not to understand it happened.

                  That’s false.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    The point of contention isn’t whether you’ve ever mentioned it. This is your claim from yesterday:

                    Even jon pretended not to understand it happened.

                    That’s false.

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                    Horace
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                    #68

                    @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                    The point of contention isn’t whether you’ve ever mentioned it. This is your claim from yesterday:

                    Even jon pretended not to understand it happened.

                    That’s false.

                    Ok then you were unaware it happened. I guess the MSM did its job in covering it up, even to the extent a detailed follower of politics like you was unaware of this attempted breach of fundamental political norms by your own side.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                      The point of contention isn’t whether you’ve ever mentioned it. This is your claim from yesterday:

                      Even jon pretended not to understand it happened.

                      That’s false.

                      Ok then you were unaware it happened. I guess the MSM did its job in covering it up, even to the extent a detailed follower of politics like you was unaware of this attempted breach of fundamental political norms by your own side.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @horace

                      That’s also false.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @horace

                        That’s also false.

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                        Horace
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                        @jon-nyc said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                        @horace

                        That’s also false.

                        By all means explain yourself. And thanks for refraining from using the phrase straw man, I know you are tempted.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          I was not unaware that 2016 had numerous faithless electors.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            I was not unaware that 2016 had numerous faithless electors.

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                            Horace
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                            @jon-nyc you were unaware it was an attempt to build a coalition of faithlessness to deprive Trump of the White House.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Loki
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                              Our Supreme Court even weighed in on the 2016 faithless electors.

                              https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/u-s-supreme-court-to-consider-washingtons-2016-faithless-electors-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

                              No one talked about democracy in peril then. LOL. God if they say it enough it becomes true right? That’s the new science.

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                                Our Supreme Court even weighed in on the 2016 faithless electors.

                                https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/u-s-supreme-court-to-consider-washingtons-2016-faithless-electors-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

                                No one talked about democracy in peril then. LOL. God if they say it enough it becomes true right? That’s the new science.

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                                Horace
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                                @loki said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                Our Supreme Court even weighed in on the 2016 faithless electors.

                                https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/u-s-supreme-court-to-consider-washingtons-2016-faithless-electors-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

                                No one talked about democracy in peril then. LOL. God if they say it enough it becomes true right? That’s the new science.

                                And that story misrepresents the motivations of the electors. Just says they refused to vote for Hillary, as if they hated Hillary. It’s no wonder so few of us understand the true motivations. The media covered it with a pillow. On some level even TDS sufferers are ashamed of themselves. But they feel snug and safe that they have herd immunity from public shaming.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  I don't understand - if they were supposed to vote for Hillary, and didn't, how is that trying to steal the election for the Democrats?

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    I don't understand - if they were supposed to vote for Hillary, and didn't, how is that trying to steal the election for the Democrats?

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                                    Horace
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                                    @doctor-phibes said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                    I don't understand - if they were supposed to vote for Hillary, and didn't, how is that trying to steal the election for the Democrats?

                                    They didn’t vote for Trump instead. They voted for someone they thought the republicans might be amenable to, in the hopes the republican electors would follow the lead of faithlessness. They got 2 Trump electors, so it didn’t fail completely.

                                    This motivation was admitted to by one of the faithless dem electors in an interview.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      xenon
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                                      #77

                                      I read up in this a bit. Most states have a mechanism to force a faithless elector to change their vote. Only a few have no proscribed action for a faithless elector.

                                      A faithless elector is something that states can pretty much legislate out of existence (and most have - it just remains a symbolic thing).

                                      But it feels different than saying that the election itself is a fraud. To allow the existence of faithless electors is in someway a deliberate choice by states.

                                      Voter fraud is a different beast. It’s a subversion of the rules themselves. Feels like a beast you don’t want to feed.

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                                        I read up in this a bit. Most states have a mechanism to force a faithless elector to change their vote. Only a few have no proscribed action for a faithless elector.

                                        A faithless elector is something that states can pretty much legislate out of existence (and most have - it just remains a symbolic thing).

                                        But it feels different than saying that the election itself is a fraud. To allow the existence of faithless electors is in someway a deliberate choice by states.

                                        Voter fraud is a different beast. It’s a subversion of the rules themselves. Feels like a beast you don’t want to feed.

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                                        @xenon said in Trump himself consents to transition:

                                        I read up in this a bit. Most states have a mechanism to force a faithless elector to change their vote. Only a few have no proscribed action for a faithless elector.

                                        A faithless elector is something that states can pretty much legislate out of existence (and most have - it just remains a symbolic thing).

                                        But it feels different than saying that the election itself is a fraud. To allow the existence of faithless electors is in someway a deliberate choice by states.

                                        Voter fraud is a different beast. It’s a subversion of the rules themselves. Feels like a beast you don’t want to feed.

                                        This is all a bunch of nonsense in reality but it’s worth a discussion when folks start hyperventilating about democracy being threatened and just how close we came. It’s like grow up.

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                                        • X xenon

                                          I read up in this a bit. Most states have a mechanism to force a faithless elector to change their vote. Only a few have no proscribed action for a faithless elector.

                                          A faithless elector is something that states can pretty much legislate out of existence (and most have - it just remains a symbolic thing).

                                          But it feels different than saying that the election itself is a fraud. To allow the existence of faithless electors is in someway a deliberate choice by states.

                                          Voter fraud is a different beast. It’s a subversion of the rules themselves. Feels like a beast you don’t want to feed.

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                                          Horace
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                                          @xenon no commentary on the attempt to establish a coalition of faithlessness by powers on the left who hated Trump?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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