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Meanwhile in Illinois...

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #5

    This should be a wakeup call to the globalists. The world is still not a friendly place.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • L Offline
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      Loki
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      #6

      I agree with Jon. People are too used to cheap prices. It always wins.

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      • MikM Offline
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        #7

        Not as cheap as they used to be and I suspect they are going to get squeezed pretty good.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Not as cheap as they used to be and I suspect they are going to get squeezed pretty good.

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          Loki
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          #8

          @Mik said in Meanwhile in Illinois...:

          Not as cheap as they used to be and I suspect they are going to get squeezed pretty good.

          A more diverse supply chain...but still outside the US.

          Nearsourcing in Mexico could be one example.

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          • MikM Offline
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            #9

            Much rather see our dollars go to Mexico. It increases American security.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #10

              Vietnam. Indonesia. Mexico. Central America.

              In America, Puerto Rico or rural parts of the country.

              Canada, Great Britain, the former Eastern Bloc.

              Different level goods for different regions. Especially essential goods.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Offline
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                #11

                Yes indeed. If we were to invest more in the western hemisphere it could be very good for us.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #12

                  You can't abandon countries neighboring China. We have to be active in the region.

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    #13

                    I think that we on this forum board are all guilty. We talk about wanting to buy local, but my guess is that most of us (me included) will mainly shop on price. If we go into the store and there are too (somewhat) identical items, most people will buy the cheaper. Yes, yes, yes, I understand that "you get what you pay for", but a lot/most people $$$ savings > possible quality increase.

                    Companies follow the money. Seventy years ago, it was "Made in Japan", then it was "Made in Taiwan", then it was/is "Made in China". But already, companies are moving to other countries in SE Asia and East Asia as Jolly says above.

                    But I agree with JonNYC, I think it will be very very very difficult to force a consumer product to be made in the US. Military, etc., is one thing, but consumer is something different in my opinion.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Not me. I usually buy quality, not price. There is cost and there is value, and both must be considered. all my meat is local, and come spring and summer my produce will be too. Most of my baked goods are local. I pay a little more but I know what I'm getting and I know it is a better product.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                        Aqua Letifer
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                        #15

                        Same for most food items.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
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                          #16

                          I would never buy a foreign car, no way.

                          Price matters, the feds can fix that with tariffs.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            I would never buy a foreign car, no way.

                            Price matters, the feds can fix that with tariffs.

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                            @Copper said in Meanwhile in Illinois...:

                            I would never buy a foreign car, no way.

                            Do Hondas count as "foreign?"

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Ford, GM, Jeep make more than enough cars to supply me.

                              Yes, I know Honda, Acura and Toyota have a high percentage of US manufacturing in them. But as a boomer it just doesn't sit right with me.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                Ford, GM, Jeep make more than enough cars to supply me.

                                Yes, I know Honda, Acura and Toyota have a high percentage of US manufacturing in them. But as a boomer it just doesn't sit right with me.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #19

                                @Copper said in Meanwhile in Illinois...:

                                But as a boomer it just doesn't sit right with me.

                                Ok, boomer.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
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                                  Yup, it will die out.

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                                    With cars, buying an American brand is not a cost-quality trade off. For the same body type and size class, the typical Honda/Toyota that is more reliable than the typical GM/Ford is also more expensive. In any case, we don‘t import any car from China, so this is not a China problem.

                                    For consumer electronics, there is not much of a choice ... computers, smartphones, tablets, Wi-Fi routers, USB hubs, etc. are all assembled in China. It’s still possible to get SSD manufactured in Korea, but I do not know for how long that will remain the case.

                                    I have been avoiding food that‘s exported from mainland China for many years. Luckily there’s plenty of food being produced, processed, and packaged outside of China that I don’t think I sacrifice much in variety. That‘s the one category of things where I consciously pay more for “higher quality” (supposedly higher safety standards, I suppose).

                                    Oh, and then there‘s critical national infrastructure. About taking the national wireless communications infrastructure to ”5G,“ yes, I think the mainland Chinese will offer lower cost for the equipment, but as a consumer, I am willing to pay more (indirectly) for non-Chinese equipment. Same goes for big network routers/switches used by the nation‘s telecommunications serivce providers. I suppose you can say that I am willing to pay more for ”higher quality“ in this case, it’s just that the ”quality“ in this case is wrapped in ”security“ — the security for my data and ”national security“ for my country. I am willing to pay more to avoid service providers that deploy mainland Chinese equipment in their networks.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      Yup, it will die out.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
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                                      @Copper said in Meanwhile in Illinois...:

                                      Yup, it will die out.

                                      What, the boomer generation?

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #23

                                        Chinese built cars are already in the U.S.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Chinese built cars are already in the U.S.

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                                          #24

                                          @Jolly said in Meanwhile in Illinois...:

                                          Chinese built cars are already in the U.S.

                                          What makes/models?
                                          How many "Chinese built cars" in the U.S.?
                                          (Would appreciate it if you have the statistics handy, else I can try to look it up using the makes/models information requested above.)

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