Pfizer FTW

[Copper]

Yes
No

[Loki]

[Mik]

@Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:

@Loki said in Pfizer FTW:

@xenon said in Pfizer FTW:

Anyone know what the real bottlenecks are from this point forward?

It feels like we have unlimited financial resources to throw at this. (Relative to how big bailouts have been)

Here again, suddenly how much stimulus to give changes again. Amazing how the truth of everything is suddenly spilling out.

Has the media been complicit? Or just so busy covering the camoaign, they ignored other news?

Not buying that. You don't just miss a story like that.

[Mik]

Cuomo is just flat wrong. The government does not have any infrastructure to distribute and administer the vaccine. To try to set that up would take months, by which time we could be well on the way to a vaccinated population.

The private sector does have that infrastructure, however imperfect. We see it every year in flu shots. as far as 'healthcare deserts', that can be dealt with. But a large part of teh problem there is not accessibility but awareness and willingness.

[jon-nyc]

Kind of disingenuous to change “fix it or stop” to just “stop it”.

I don’t know enough about the plan to comment. It is certainly true that no existing pharamacies and few if any hospitals have the infrastructure to store a vaccine at -91C. I’m not sure how the current plan deals with this problem. I also think managing the follow up shot is likely to be poorly implemented by the pharmacies, but I have trouble imagining the state doing it any better.

But I really need to read a more technical version of the objections.

[Mik]

That's the same temperature required to ship frozen steaks and ice cream across the country. I think we can handle it. It's not like we have a choice.

[jon-nyc]

Ah, no. My understanding is most research labs freezers don’t go below -80

[Mik]

That's what the Wall Street Journal says. Where's your info come from?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-race-turns-deep-freezers-into-a-hot-commodity-11599217201?mod=hp_lead_pos4

[Mik]

United Parcel Service Inc. (UPS) is one of the providers who is planning to build so-called "freezer farms" to gear up for the rapid delivery of vaccines. There are big challenges, but they are not as big as not having a vaccine to begin with.

Infohttps://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/coldstorage-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/04/id/985471/

[Loki]

I just have to say how much I love watching Cuomo be so transparent about the loss of all the major credit the dems had planned on taking, it’s truly delicious.

[Jolly]

Biden (if elected) had better be the best thing since sliced bread.

This is not starting well.

[Loki]

Listen to Biden’s Saturday acceptance speech. “Our work begins with gettingCovid under control... I will spare no effort, none, or any commitment to turn around this pandemic”.

It’s not often you get to skip right over your most important initiative and head straight to job 2. Well maybe he can do it in NY where the gov wants to wait 2 months.

[jon-nyc]

Loki - I think you're underestimating how quickly the population can be vaccinated. We're on track for close to 1MM new cases a week now.

They haven't even requested emergency approval yet. And even under emergency authorization the distribution will be very limited.

Point is this announcement doesn't mean we can take our eye off of managing the pandemic.

[jon-nyc]

Mik - I can't see behind the wsj paywall, and it wouldn't surprise me if there exist methods using cryogenic storage to ship at that temp today but there's absolutely no way your average reefer truck shipping meat and ice cream is running at -91C.

[Mik]

In other words you have nothing.

[Axtremus]

-91ºC is very challenging.
Saw another news source that reported -70ºC for storage; still very challenging.

[Jolly]

We run garden variety plasma freezers at -30 C everyday. No big whoop.

BTW, Pfizer can crank out 5OM doses in 12 months. I assume that's domestic numbers.

OTOH, Moderna should come in soon.

[Jolly]

As for how quickly people can be vaccinated, I'll let y'all know.

[taiwan_girl]

@Larry said in Pfizer FTW:

@taiwan_girl said in Pfizer FTW:

@Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:

Why noy, if it is a possible Truth?

It gets back to the article you posted the other day about making accusations without evidence.

I probably am one of the more anti conspiracy people here. Just don’t believe in them.

It is like the German guy in the World War 2. If you keep repeating a lie long enough, people will start to believe it.

You sure bought the "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!! RUSSIA" conspiracy hook line And sinker.

I did??

[Larry]

Yes. You sure did.