Pfizer FTW
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 18:52 last edited by Mik 11 Sept 2020, 18:54
Cuomo is just flat wrong. The government does not have any infrastructure to distribute and administer the vaccine. To try to set that up would take months, by which time we could be well on the way to a vaccinated population.
The private sector does have that infrastructure, however imperfect. We see it every year in flu shots. as far as 'healthcare deserts', that can be dealt with. But a large part of teh problem there is not accessibility but awareness and willingness.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 19:23 last edited by
Kind of disingenuous to change “fix it or stop” to just “stop it”.
I don’t know enough about the plan to comment. It is certainly true that no existing pharamacies and few if any hospitals have the infrastructure to store a vaccine at -91C. I’m not sure how the current plan deals with this problem. I also think managing the follow up shot is likely to be poorly implemented by the pharmacies, but I have trouble imagining the state doing it any better.
But I really need to read a more technical version of the objections.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 19:40 last edited by Mik 11 Sept 2020, 19:40
That's the same temperature required to ship frozen steaks and ice cream across the country. I think we can handle it. It's not like we have a choice.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 19:41 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Sept 2020, 19:43
Ah, no. My understanding is most research labs freezers don’t go below -80
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 19:42 last edited by
That's what the Wall Street Journal says. Where's your info come from?
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 19:56 last edited by
United Parcel Service Inc. (UPS) is one of the providers who is planning to build so-called "freezer farms" to gear up for the rapid delivery of vaccines. There are big challenges, but they are not as big as not having a vaccine to begin with.
Infohttps://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/coldstorage-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/04/id/985471/
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 20:06 last edited by
I just have to say how much I love watching Cuomo be so transparent about the loss of all the major credit the dems had planned on taking, it’s truly delicious.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 20:40 last edited by
Biden (if elected) had better be the best thing since sliced bread.
This is not starting well.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 21:34 last edited by
Listen to Biden’s Saturday acceptance speech. “Our work begins with gettingCovid under control... I will spare no effort, none, or any commitment to turn around this pandemic”.
It’s not often you get to skip right over your most important initiative and head straight to job 2. Well maybe he can do it in NY where the gov wants to wait 2 months.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:21 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Sept 2020, 22:26
Loki - I think you're underestimating how quickly the population can be vaccinated. We're on track for close to 1MM new cases a week now.
They haven't even requested emergency approval yet. And even under emergency authorization the distribution will be very limited.
Point is this announcement doesn't mean we can take our eye off of managing the pandemic.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:23 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Sept 2020, 22:24
Mik - I can't see behind the wsj paywall, and it wouldn't surprise me if there exist methods using cryogenic storage to ship at that temp today but there's absolutely no way your average reefer truck shipping meat and ice cream is running at -91C.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:27 last edited by
In other words you have nothing.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:27 last edited by
-91ºC is very challenging.
Saw another news source that reported -70ºC for storage; still very challenging. -
wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:48 last edited by
We run garden variety plasma freezers at -30 C everyday. No big whoop.
BTW, Pfizer can crank out 5OM doses in 12 months. I assume that's domestic numbers.
OTOH, Moderna should come in soon.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 22:49 last edited by
As for how quickly people can be vaccinated, I'll let y'all know.
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@taiwan_girl said in Pfizer FTW:
@Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:
Why noy, if it is a possible Truth?
It gets back to the article you posted the other day about making accusations without evidence.
I probably am one of the more anti conspiracy people here. Just don’t believe in them.
It is like the German guy in the World War 2. If you keep repeating a lie long enough, people will start to believe it.
You sure bought the "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!! RUSSIA" conspiracy hook line And sinker.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 00:01 last edited by@Larry said in Pfizer FTW:
@taiwan_girl said in Pfizer FTW:
@Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:
Why noy, if it is a possible Truth?
It gets back to the article you posted the other day about making accusations without evidence.
I probably am one of the more anti conspiracy people here. Just don’t believe in them.
It is like the German guy in the World War 2. If you keep repeating a lie long enough, people will start to believe it.
You sure bought the "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!! RUSSIA" conspiracy hook line And sinker.
I did??
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 00:03 last edited by
Yes. You sure did.
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Breaking news-zoom down 20% in the stock market
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 00:05 last edited by@bachophile said in Pfizer FTW:
Breaking news-zoom down 20% in the stock market
I still believe face to face is the best way to do things. I realize that some companies look at the money and think that the difference is not worth it to fly someone out for a meeting, but in many cases, I do think so.
I have fly to places where i have spent double or triple the time traveling than for the meeting. But it was worth it.
I remember a commercial for a hotel chain a while back
"You cannot FAX/email a smile"
"You cannot text a handshake or pat on the back"
"You cannot email a shared dinner and conversation"
etcI realixe that the world is changing and video/audio conference will be used much more than before, but still