Calling the States
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Now that this is mostly over - it feels like Trump had a ton working in his favor.
The economy has continued to move at a decent clip, he had winning positions (though not great policy) on immigration, getting tough on trade and even a cultural-pride message that resonates with many.
The genius communicator side of him was able to clearly land those positions - but I think him being a moron/overly obnoxious just got the best of him.
A vanilla republican with the same policy positions probably would have held on here.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 18:26 last edited by@xenon said in Calling the States:
Now that this is mostly over - it feels like Trump had a ton working in his favor.
The economy has continued to move at a decent clip, he had winning positions (though not great policy) on immigration, getting tough on trade and even a cultural-pride message that resonates with many.
The genius communicator side of him was able to clearly land those positions - but I think him being a moron/overly obnoxious just got the best of him.
A vanilla republican with the same policy positions probably would have held on here.
How does a vanilla Republican it’s the same policies get that message past the media? They don’t. This election was never about policies and was always about the evil Donald...
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@xenon said in Calling the States:
Now that this is mostly over - it feels like Trump had a ton working in his favor.
The economy has continued to move at a decent clip, he had winning positions (though not great policy) on immigration, getting tough on trade and even a cultural-pride message that resonates with many.
The genius communicator side of him was able to clearly land those positions - but I think him being a moron/overly obnoxious just got the best of him.
A vanilla republican with the same policy positions probably would have held on here.
How does a vanilla Republican it’s the same policies get that message past the media? They don’t. This election was never about policies and was always about the evil Donald...
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 18:29 last edited by xenon 11 Apr 2020, 18:30@LuFins-Dad I think you're underappreciating how much the new media landscape has broken the dominance of traditional media. (and this will continue to be the trend)
It's the same thing that led to wokeness / mass protests without even a figurehead.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the maps there are 7 states that are still in doubt:
NV - 6 Biden lead
AZ - 11 Biden lead
WI - 10 Biden lead
MI - 16 Biden leadPA - 20 Trump lead
NC - 15 Trump lead
GA - 16 Trump leadSo Biden has 227 votes to Trump's 213 at this moment.
If leads are maintained in all of these undecided states, my math puts Biden right at 270 and Trump at 264.
Yeah, this won't be sorted out for weeks.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the maps there are 7 states that are still in doubt:
NV - 6 Biden lead
AZ - 11 Biden lead
WI - 10 Biden lead
MI - 16 Biden leadPA - 20 Trump lead
NC - 15 Trump lead
GA - 16 Trump leadSo Biden has 227 votes to Trump's 213 at this moment.
If leads are maintained in all of these undecided states, my math puts Biden right at 270 and Trump at 264.
Yeah, this won't be sorted out for weeks.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 18:36 last edited by@nobodyssock said in Calling the States:
Correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the maps there are 7 states that are still in doubt:
NV - 6 Biden lead
AZ - 11 Biden lead
WI - 10 Biden lead
MI - 16 Biden leadPA - 20 Trump lead
NC - 15 Trump lead
GA - 16 Trump leadSo Biden has 227 votes to Trump's 213 at this moment.
If leads are maintained in all of these undecided states, my math puts Biden right at 270 and Trump at 264.
Yeah, this won't be sorted out for weeks.
It’s over already except for the formalization
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@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
Great! 9 more of those and he’ll catch back up!
Sorta like asking for a recount in Wisconsin.
However, I can see this making a difference in the Senate race in Michigan.
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I lost track, how is James doing?
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I lost track, how is James doing?
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 18:46 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
I lost track, how is James doing?
Leading by 10K (soon to be 15K) votes.
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I am wondering why the media outlets aren’t calling Michigan yet?
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I am wondering why the media outlets aren’t calling Michigan yet?
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 18:51 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Calling the States:
I am wondering why the media outlets aren’t calling Michigan yet?
More eyeballs, more clicks.
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If I understand correctly, Biden would be at exactly 270 if everything goes as it is currently projected.
However, only 67% are counted in Nevada right now, and it's pretty close. Is there a realistic chance that Nevada could turn around and give Trump the necessary votes?
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It's possible, a little more so since Trump over-performed among Latinos.
But that possibility doesn't seem to be animating the knowledgable election watchers. Even that GOP-leaning polling firm that called FL, MN, MI etc for Trump predicts a Biden win there.
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There's still a decent chance Biden could pull ahead in PA.
Almost by definition the counties that take the longest to count are the populous ones, where Biden has commanding leads.
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Now we'll see which side planned ahead.
Then we'll see how fast the other side can catch up.
Will we get a concession speech before or after Thanksgiving?
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 19:10 last edited by
CNN called WI.
A little anti-climactic since Stepien effectively called it 2 hrs ago.
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@LuFins-Dad I think you're underappreciating how much the new media landscape has broken the dominance of traditional media. (and this will continue to be the trend)
It's the same thing that led to wokeness / mass protests without even a figurehead.
wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 19:18 last edited by@xenon said in Calling the States:
@LuFins-Dad I think you're underappreciating how much the new media landscape has broken the dominance of traditional media. (and this will continue to be the trend)
It's the same thing that led to wokeness / mass protests without even a figurehead.
51% of Americans get their news online, 35% from tv, 9% from radio and 5% from print media. Many of those online are visiting sites such as NYT or CNN.
If the vast majority of all types of media were biased against Trump (they were), how does this effect the vote? If Biden is elected, it is in large part due to media bias and Trump's personality. The media has helped elect a dementia patient as POTUS.
But, there is a silver lining. A Biden presidency is going to be a disaster, if he follows through on his promises.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2020, 19:26 last edited by
The msm won't let Mr. Biden do anything wrong.
They can guarantee it.
He is all set.
And the Harris presidency is even more iron clad.
What racist misogynist will dare say a discouraging word?
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