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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    As Churchill so memorably said he chose dishonor but got war anyway. Not sure how to save his reputation from that.

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    @jon-nyc said in Shutdown Length:

    As Churchill so memorably said he chose dishonor but got war anyway. Not sure how to save his reputation from that.

    IMHO Ramsey McDonald and Stanley Baldwin should bear more responsibility for the mess than Chamberlain. Both McDonald and Baldwin seem to be mostly forgotten in these discussions nowadays, but Chamberlain really inherited the shit sandwich that they had carefully put together whilst desperately trying to avoid conflict in the 30's.

    I was only joking

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      How did Germany get away without a peep from the WWI winners, building up that military machine violating the terms of armistice? It couldnt have been a mystery. Those films always make my jaw drop with the size of their army parading down the streets

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        Had the French army simply begun mobilization when the Germans marched into the Ruhr they would have retreated with their tail between their legs and there’s a strong possibility it would have been the end of Hitler.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Had the French army simply begun mobilization when the Germans marched into the Ruhr they would have retreated with their tail between their legs and there’s a strong possibility it would have been the end of Hitler.

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          Renauda
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          #66

          @jon-nyc

          True.

          Elbows up!

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            Ah, the rose tented mirrored sunglasses of historical after-knowledge.

            I was only joking

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              Renauda
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              #68

              Indeed, if only France had done something in 1938. Together with the USSR Hitler would have been preempted from attacking Czechoslovakia and Josef Stalin would have obtained the Czech armaments industry (a prize Hitler desperately needed for his war plans) and established Soviet power in the middle of Europe without so much as firing a shot at anyone other than the Poles whose territory he would have had to cross to get to Czechoslovakia.

              Elbows up!

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                #69

                If only they hadn't fucked everything up in 1919 and helped Germany recover along with the rest of Europe....Hitler could have spent his latter years painting people's bedrooms.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  If only they hadn't fucked everything up in 1919 and helped Germany recover along with the rest of Europe....Hitler could have spent his latter years painting people's bedrooms.

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                  Renauda
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                  #70

                  @Doctor-Phibes

                  Yes I think we should have a good dunk on David Lloyd George, George Clemenceau and above all, Woodrow Wilson. While at it we can also dunk on Joseph P. Kennedy because we can.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Don't forget George Washington. If he hadn't bankrupted the French monarchy there wouldn't have been a revolution, and we'd all be happily sipping tea in Boston.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      Don't forget George Washington. If he hadn't bankrupted the French monarchy there wouldn't have been a revolution, and we'd all be happily sipping tea in Boston.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Shutdown Length:

                      Don't forget George Washington. If he hadn't bankrupted the French monarchy there wouldn't have been a revolution, and we'd all be happily sipping tea in Boston speaking German or Russian.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        #73

                        I fly Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of this week and Tuesday, Friday, and Saturday next week.

                        Six flights in 11 days. I’m dreading it.

                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                          Yikes man. I'm flying (with the kids) in late November during the week of thanksgiving. We're going for a week and I picked Monday-to-Monday flights to try and minimize the thanksgiving traffic jam at the airport.

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                            I like the approach - clean resolution, no blackmail. Say what you wish, Trump's got balls.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              My wife is coming back from overseas on Friday, to that very airport. I assume arrivals will be less affected.

                              It's surprising to me that anybody is not showing up, considering they will get back pay after the shutdown ends. But not anymore. Oh, and now they're presumably fired. I wonder how real this is. Those TSA jobs are choice and competitive.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                If I had to be a TSA worker I'd just go back to crime for a living.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  According to ChatGPT, I may have overestimated how much those jobs pay and how competitive they are.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    kluurs
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                                    Word is the house won't be back next week - which means 1) we've set a record and 2) someone's got to blink - and it's probably going to be the Dems.

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                                      In my view Trump's got the stronger hand. Whatever legislation one wants to pass, it needs to be done on its own merits, not by blackmail.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                          Hahaha made me chuckle

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