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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #1358

    Qatar has the interesting distinction of having been bombed by both Iran and lsrael in the span of 6 months.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1359

      From CBS:

      The Qatari government condemned what it called a "cowardly Israeli attack that targeted residential compounds housing several members of Hamas' political bureau in the Qatari capital, Doha."

      The head of the snake,

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #1360

        Unlike Putin, at least Netanyahu did not order the strike to kill a couple of dozen pensioners lined up for their monthly cash pension.

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/09/at-least-24-killed-in-russian-airstrike-on-village-in-donetsk-region-a90470

        Am thinking though that the two of them are feeding off one another in their bloody minded determination to out swagger one another.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1361

          It would seem patience is in ever shorter supply the world over.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on last edited by
            #1362

            The US seems to be reacting that they actually were given little to no notice of the air attack.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #1363

              Probably an act

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #1364

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                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote last edited by
                  #1365

                  Trump peace plan details. I was going to give it its own thread but I’m pretty sure Hamas won’t accept it.

                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                  • A Offline
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                    AndyD
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1366

                    I think you're right. Hamas will read to line 6 and the plan, which sounds so reasonable to me, will be ripped up.

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                    • 89th8 Online
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                      89th
                      wrote last edited by
                      #1367

                      Board of peace? More like... Bored of peace!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote last edited by
                        #1368

                        National building. We never learn.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          #1369

                          PA approves it.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/palestinian-authority-responds-to-trump-gaza-peace-plan/ar-AA1NAhNO

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote last edited by
                            #1370

                            Yeah, because it’s their path to controlling Gaza.

                            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote last edited by
                              #1371

                              Of course.

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote last edited by
                                #1372

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                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #1373

                                  If it were genocide it would have been over a year or so ago.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    If it were genocide it would have been over a year or so ago.

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                                    kluurs
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #1374

                                    @Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    If it were genocide it would have been over a year or so ago.

                                    It all depends on whether one uses a personal definition or the one that the UN, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Holocaust Museum, The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR - U.S.), The International Court of Justice (ICJ), B'Tselem (The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories), Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Jewish Voice for Peace - to name a few entities who have defined Israel's activities as a genocide.

                                    Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar of the Palestine situation, notes that 47% of Jews in Israel supported genocide in Gaza - i.e. asking if everyone in a city should be killed, answered "yes". Asked if there are "any innocents in Gaza?", 70% of Jewish Israelis answered "no". He also notes that's why the IDF "targets" toddlers. A member of the Jewish opposition stated that IDF soldiers kill children as a "hobby".

                                    But one can argue that an alternative definition as employed by many mainstream Jewish organizations in the US don't accept that Israel is committing genocide. It's a bit like the word "myth" - one can say that Christianity is based on myth - meaning a narrative which need not be based on fact, but some would argue that "myth" is a falsehood. One's definition leads to different answers.

                                    Genocide - using the above definition, has been pervasive throughout history. The US is based on genocide of many native peoples. The early Zionists knew that genocide would be necessary and discussed it openly - though avoiding the term. Ugly business. Good luck to all involved.

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #1375

                                      Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                                      You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                                      Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                                      This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                        kluurs
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #1376

                                        Kind of like "antisemitism" - which may be an even more disenchanting rabbit hole to dive down.

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1377

                                          Imagine if Germany had won WWII and as part of an agreement with Mexico - California, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Arizona were returned to Mexico. Individuals living in those states would be confined to a narrow area along the coast of California - would Americans accept that that the native Indians had lived here for 14000 years and were rightfully occupying their land? Yeah, I'm sure. Not to say that Genocide isn't the answer- but it was always going to be an ugly business - and Israel's founders as well as many throughout the world knew it would be a problem.

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