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  • MikM Away
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    Just think what this will do for salary data.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      Yeah but that’s why they use medians.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        This lets us know how important Zuckerberg thinks it is to be first to market with whatever he is trying to do with AI. I'm sure those people he made those offers to are all bright and talented, but what makes them worth that, is their ability to hit the ground running, towards whatever it is Zuckerberg wants to do. The market will soon be glutted with newly minted AI experts, to whatever extent academia can produce them.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • MikM Away
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          The crap AI he’s stuck into FB is an annoyance.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            I read somewhere that Comp Sci majors are decreasing in schools and those that graduate are having problems getting hired.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              Yeah but at the same time ‘software development/engineering’ jobs are climbing so I wonder how much of this is just a nomenclature/categorization shift.

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                I read somewhere that Comp Sci majors are decreasing in schools and those that graduate are having problems getting hired.

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                @taiwan_girl said in Fuck coding:

                I read somewhere that Comp Sci majors are decreasing in schools and those that graduate are having problems getting hired.

                Maybe, I could see that. AI does make me a bit concerned about careers for my kids in 15-20 years. For coding, I know 20 years ago I would build website from scratch, literally a blank page starting with "<html...", and 15 years ago it was using content management systems (CMS), then 10 to 5 years ago it was all about converting to the cloud and SaaS and PaaS where solutions are provided and you just configure them, or write scripts (e.g., Python), or build CICD/DevOps pipelines to automate a bunch of stuff, and just this week I was setting up a new GitHub org for a few code repositories and I "activated" the various AI code writing tools that do 95% of the work for you. It's remarkable.

                Indeed, though... "coding" will be obsolete soon enough, mostly. SAD. So far I got lucky as I switched from software development in 2020 over to cybersecurity and so far that has been helped by AI and not threatened by it yet. AI is just another tool (per se) we have in our suite of security tools used to stop t3h hax0rs.

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                • MikM Away
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                  I'm still convinced that a human intervention will be required for well-functioning development. I remember back in the 80's we had code generators. Their stuff was utter crap, and totally unreadable. The trick will be in design, as it always has been.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Any job that involves interacting with objects rather than people is on the chopping block. Maybe not in our lifetimes. The jobs that involve talking to people are also going to get hit with substantial splash damage, as most of the talking jobs involve talking about ways to direct and organize humans.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      I just saw some window washers, their jobs are safe for now.

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        I just saw some window washers, their jobs are safe for now.

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                        @89th said in Fuck coding:

                        I just saw some window washers, their jobs are safe for now.

                        Link to video

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          • MikM Away
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                            An offer he couldn’t refuse

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                              This isn't really going to succeed until they rename it the "hyperintelligence" group.

                              Incidentally, I Googled 'AI models'. Holy shit, some of them are really lifelike.

                              I was only joking

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                                  About "50% from China" ... even among those labeled "American," many of them have Chinese-sounding names.
                                  A little surprised that there aren't more Indians (of South-Asian descent).

                                  Not sure what "L8+ Level" means, maybe a reference to Meta's pay scale. 🤷

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                                    I was wondering what MTS was… just means Member of Technical Staff at the company, such as OpenAI.

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                                      Some companies throw around the title "Engineer" rather casually (e.g., "Software Engineer"). Some other companies are more careful with the title, reserving the "Engineer" title only for those who are state-licensed "Professional Engineers" (PE), and use some other title like "Member of the Technical Staff" (MTS) for those who are not state-licensed PE.

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                                        I’ve never seen the latter except in civil engineering. State licensing was seen as totally unnecessary when I graduated BSEE in 1990.

                                        I remember my grandfather (BSME from MIT class of ‘28) implored my mother to make me take the exam. He didn’t realize how irrelevant it was in the EE space.

                                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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