The America Party?
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I think a middle party is needed, but I think they have also been tried before and have not worked.
I think that the two parties have so much control over the whole election process that it makes it very hard for a new party to be a success.
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The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
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But is it realistic? In the American election system, a two party system is basically the only stable configuration. It would take an immense splash to replace one of the parties with a different one. Three parties of approximately equal size could only exist very transiently, I guess.
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I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.
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We've already got antediluvian
I was only joking
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I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.
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The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
@89th said in The America Party?:
The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…
The Brad
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I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.
@kluurs said in The America Party?:
I've always fantasized that a third party should be formed - with a narrow focus - to reorder the most egregious idiocy of the current system - term limits, establishment of a system that negates gerrymandering, something that limits congressional and judicial enrichment - - essentially new guardrails that inhibit governmental overreach - along with protections for the proverbial "common man/woman". One might suggest limiting the disproportionate influence of certain external actors - but then one might be accused of being anti-Christian, antisemitic, anti-woke, anti-union, or anti-something.
The problem is all the roadblocks the two parties have placed on state elections to prevent third parties from gaining traction. Perot 1.0 really was quite impressive in how far he got.
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We've already got antediluvian
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@89th said in The America Party?:
The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…
@LuFins-Dad said in The America Party?:
@89th said in The America Party?:
The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…
To be honest, I actually have no idea. Maybe Clinton was lucky to also have the 90s... before "modern" issues like global jihad, school shootings, internet crap, social media crap, cell phones, on-demand ADHD attention spans... from a simplistic perspective, the budget was balanced (actually had surplus), the stock market boomed, and Israel and Palestine were shaking hands. And Monica was sneaking out of the white house.
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@89th said in The America Party?:
The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…
@LuFins-Dad said in The America Party?:
@89th said in The America Party?:
The commandeering lately has been in the fringe direction, it seems. Would be nice to have a party that attracted the moderates (the meat of the bell curve), ideally one that is fiscally responsible, strong military, judicially conservative, invests in the American economy and infrastructure, and empathetic to the vulnerable with pragmatic programs to help those in need. In other words, maybe we need Bill Clinton again?
LOL, you think that was Bill Clinton’s actual policies and not the compromise positions due to the Gingrich Congress…
Yes. Woodward wrote a good book about it called The Agenda, describing how deficit reduction won out against his other priorities. From this era came Carville’s famous line about coming back as the bond markets.
And all this happened before Gingrich was speaker.
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Maybe. Since 2016 I’ve thought we don’t need a third party since with social media anyone sufficiently popular can commandeer one of the existing ones. That’s probably true now of the Democratic Party too though it held out a little longer.
@jon-nyc said in The America Party?:
Maybe. Since 2016 I’ve thought we don’t need a third party since with social media anyone sufficiently popular can commandeer one of the existing ones. That’s probably true now of the Democratic Party too though it held out a little longer.
I think you're right about this, Jon. But I don't think anyone has really pushed this.
A lot of a party's power comes from funding, which goes to traditional media, which goes to getting a message to the mainstream.
As Mamdani recently demonstrated, you can be a nobody if you can make effective viral videos.
I think the parties have much less power right now than is recognized.
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