"Women's" Boxing at the Olympics

[LuFins Dad]

[jon-nyc]

He’s a bloke.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/01/imane-khelif-medical-report-proves-biological-male/

[LuFins Dad]

Wow! I expect we will see quite a lot of apologies and mea culpas over the next few days.

[jon-nyc]

From what I am seeing it appears Khalif has this:

5-ARD stands for 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, a rare genetic condition that affects sex development.

Key facts:
• It’s caused by mutations in the SRD5A2 gene, which encodes the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase type 2.
• This enzyme converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) — a more potent androgen critical for the development of male external genitalia in utero.

What happens in 5-ARD:
• Individuals are typically genetically male (46,XY) but are born with ambiguous or female-appearing genitalia due to lack of DHT during fetal development.
• At puberty, testosterone levels rise and may cause masculinization, such as deepening of the voice, increased muscle mass, and growth of a penis from what was previously a small phallus or clitoris-like structure.

Other features may include:
• Undescended testes (cryptorchidism)
• Absence of menstruation (if initially raised as female)
• Little or no facial/body hair (due to reduced DHT)

Social and medical implications:
• Many individuals are raised female and may later transition to a male identity.
• The condition is one of several classified as a Difference (or Disorder) of Sex Development (DSD).

Treatment options may involve hormone therapy or surgery, but decisions are often individualized and increasingly guided by patient-centered care as the person grows.

[LuFins Dad]

I could see where this would go unrecognized in less developed nations, but by the time he was competing internationally l, it would have been identified.

[jon-nyc]

Also layer on that the social pathologies of Islam. It would suck to be born that way anywhere. But worse there.

[Axtremus]

Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

[jon-nyc]

Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

[LuFins Dad]

@Axtremus said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

I have no qualms whatsoever about letting Khalif live out his/her life as whatever gender they want. In these extremely rare types of situations, I’m all for compassion and understanding. And most importantly, privacy. And I would definitely not consider Khalif “trans”.

But if Khalif wants to box, it would absolutely need to be in a men’s division.

[jon-nyc]

Would they do this to a woman in Algeria?

[Axtremus]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

Re: "we'd assigned at brith," I was just quoting statutory language that's becoming more common these days.