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"Women's" Boxing at the Olympics

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    The Brad

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      He’s a bloke.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/01/imane-khelif-medical-report-proves-biological-male/

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Wow! I expect we will see quite a lot of apologies and mea culpas over the next few days.

        The Brad

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          From what I am seeing it appears Khalif has this:

          5-ARD stands for 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, a rare genetic condition that affects sex development.

          Key facts:
          • It’s caused by mutations in the SRD5A2 gene, which encodes the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase type 2.
          • This enzyme converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) — a more potent androgen critical for the development of male external genitalia in utero.

          What happens in 5-ARD:
          • Individuals are typically genetically male (46,XY) but are born with ambiguous or female-appearing genitalia due to lack of DHT during fetal development.
          • At puberty, testosterone levels rise and may cause masculinization, such as deepening of the voice, increased muscle mass, and growth of a penis from what was previously a small phallus or clitoris-like structure.

          Other features may include:
          • Undescended testes (cryptorchidism)
          • Absence of menstruation (if initially raised as female)
          • Little or no facial/body hair (due to reduced DHT)

          Social and medical implications:
          • Many individuals are raised female and may later transition to a male identity.
          • The condition is one of several classified as a Difference (or Disorder) of Sex Development (DSD).

          Treatment options may involve hormone therapy or surgery, but decisions are often individualized and increasingly guided by patient-centered care as the person grows.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            I could see where this would go unrecognized in less developed nations, but by the time he was competing internationally l, it would have been identified.

            The Brad

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              Also layer on that the social pathologies of Islam. It would suck to be born that way anywhere. But worse there.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

                If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

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                  Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

                    If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

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                    @Axtremus said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

                    Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

                    If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

                    I have no qualms whatsoever about letting Khalif live out his/her life as whatever gender they want. In these extremely rare types of situations, I’m all for compassion and understanding. And most importantly, privacy. And I would definitely not consider Khalif “trans”.

                    But if Khalif wants to box, it would absolutely need to be in a men’s division.

                    The Brad

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                      Would they do this to a woman in Algeria?

                      IMG_5630.jpeg

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

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                        @jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

                        Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

                        Re: "we'd assigned at brith," I was just quoting statutory language that's becoming more common these days.

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