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"Women's" Boxing at the Olympics

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    #35

    He’s a bloke.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/01/imane-khelif-medical-report-proves-biological-male/

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      Wow! I expect we will see quite a lot of apologies and mea culpas over the next few days.

      The Brad

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        From what I am seeing it appears Khalif has this:

        5-ARD stands for 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, a rare genetic condition that affects sex development.

        Key facts:
        • It’s caused by mutations in the SRD5A2 gene, which encodes the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase type 2.
        • This enzyme converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) — a more potent androgen critical for the development of male external genitalia in utero.

        What happens in 5-ARD:
        • Individuals are typically genetically male (46,XY) but are born with ambiguous or female-appearing genitalia due to lack of DHT during fetal development.
        • At puberty, testosterone levels rise and may cause masculinization, such as deepening of the voice, increased muscle mass, and growth of a penis from what was previously a small phallus or clitoris-like structure.

        Other features may include:
        • Undescended testes (cryptorchidism)
        • Absence of menstruation (if initially raised as female)
        • Little or no facial/body hair (due to reduced DHT)

        Social and medical implications:
        • Many individuals are raised female and may later transition to a male identity.
        • The condition is one of several classified as a Difference (or Disorder) of Sex Development (DSD).

        Treatment options may involve hormone therapy or surgery, but decisions are often individualized and increasingly guided by patient-centered care as the person grows.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          I could see where this would go unrecognized in less developed nations, but by the time he was competing internationally l, it would have been identified.

          The Brad

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            Also layer on that the social pathologies of Islam. It would suck to be born that way anywhere. But worse there.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

              If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

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                Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

                  If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

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                  @Axtremus said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

                  Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

                  If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

                  I have no qualms whatsoever about letting Khalif live out his/her life as whatever gender they want. In these extremely rare types of situations, I’m all for compassion and understanding. And most importantly, privacy. And I would definitely not consider Khalif “trans”.

                  But if Khalif wants to box, it would absolutely need to be in a men’s division.

                  The Brad

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                    Would they do this to a woman in Algeria?

                    IMG_5630.jpeg

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

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                      @jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

                      Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

                      Re: "we'd assigned at brith," I was just quoting statutory language that's becoming more common these days.

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